Cờ Đỏ Sao Vàng = Nguồn Gốc Màu Sắc và ý nghĩa
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Câu chuyện của tôi và lá Cờ Vàng
Ngày quốc khánh Úc, ngẫm về đời người Việt hải ngoại: chúng ta là nạn nhân của cộng sản/Việt cộng?
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Vì sao cộng sản lại sợ cờ vàng?
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Cờ vàng VNCH khiến CSVN một phen khiếp vía khi xuất hiện trong trận Úc - Việt Nam
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Lịch Sử Lá Cờ Dân Tộc Nguồn Gốc Ý nghĩa là Lịch sử qua nhiều giai đoạn...
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Mồng 2 Tết Nhâm Dần.
Việt cộng ngấm ngầm lấn sân, len lỏi, chơi chữ để đánh tráo "cộng đồng người Việt" nếu chúng ta vui Tết và thiếu cảnh giác.
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Cờ Vàng sẽ không còn độc tôn ở Úc vào tháng 7/2023. Cờ Máu lên và CĐNVTD hết?
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Why do Vietnamese Americans continue to use the Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag?
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Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ?
For the same reason that the Confederate “Rebel” flag was ever popular for 150 years after they lost, too.
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Updated Jun 12, 2020 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Below is the flag of the country I was born in and this is the flag of the country my father fought for even though this country no longer exists, the flag my uncle “died” for when his plane went down in a battle, an uncle whose big brother, my father, still insists (hopes) is “MIA” 43 years later since no remains were ever recovered from the wreckage. We DO accept that the current flag represents the current government of the country of Vietnam in its current state. We fought that government and left that state, not once but twice. My family fled south and lost everything in the land reform of the 50’s, and we did it all over again two decades later, this time fleeing across an ocean. The fact is that the current flag is thoroughly foreign to us and doesn't represent us. It's linked indelibly to a profound sense of loss, betrayal, aggression, and trauma from our perspective.
By the same token, I was born in the city of Saigon. That city no longer exists, since shortly after my birth, but I don't tell people I was born in Ho Chi Minh City because the fact is that I wasn't. HCMC did not exist when I was born. My birth certificate and my U.S. passport still read born in Saigon. It's the same concept with the current flag. I accept HCMC and the current flag for what they are to Vietnam today, but I don't accept them as part of my identity as an ethnic Vietnamese.
The question essentially asks why someone like me wouldn't use, accept, or embrace the current flag of Vietnam. I have a better question. Why would I?
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Profile photo for Thuong Tran Thuong Tran · March 10, 2018 While I hold a disparite view from you, I can definitely see where you're coming from. I do not affiliate with the 3 striped flag, but I can see why you would. The land reforms were a terrible and costly mistake.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · March 10, 2018 Thanks, I appreciate that. Some people think it's so black and white.
Profile photo for Jason Tran Jason Tran · August 18, 2018 There is another reason I don't accept the current flag of Vietnam is that it looks similar to the flag of China. By looking these two flags, Vietnam looks like a state of China. Just have a look the flags of UK , Australia and New Zealand, the three flags are almost the same, they all have Union Jack, because Australia and New Zealand are part of British Commonwealth. If the communist Vietnam redesigns the flag that is completely different from the current one, then I could accept it.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Viet Le Hoang Viet Le Hoang · April 4, 2019 The Yellow star red Flag of Vietnam today was found in 1940, 9 years before the Flag of Communist China. In plus, if we follow in the same design’s logic with Aus and NZ’s Flag to the UK, the China must be a part of Vietnam, which makes your comment invalid.
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 8, 2019 Ho was the military member of this early Chinese Liberation Army during late 1920 to mid 1930
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 The 3 striped flag is the flag of Vietnam and not just South Vietnam. It is the flag of our ancestor before our country split in two. The flag represent the three region of Vietnam (North, Central, and South) and the color red is the blood of our people. The color yellow is our skin color. The current Vietnam flag is a province of China as it look similar to China flag. I know this because I am a northerner.
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Profile photo for Huu Duy Vu (Hữu Duy Vũ) Huu Duy Vu (Hữu Duy Vũ) · May 20, 2019 Thuong Tran so does “detect commie, destroy commie” policy under Diem era. Hims even much more brutal than North’s land reform.
Profile photo for Việt Nguyễn Việt Nguyễn · October 9, 2019 How more brutal? North Vietnam’s land reform was responsible for the deaths of 172,000 people, and that came from a report documented by Professor Dang Phong based in Hanoi. The source also said at least 71.66% of the people were wrongly executed. Even Ho Chi Minh publicly admitted that. They were killed because they were land owners. Among the killed was Cat Hanh Long, a revolution supporter. She was known for financially supporting the communist revolution from her own wealth, but she was brutally executed by the communists. Now please give us some numbers on how many people President Diem killed. Or are you going to give us the same myth about Diem dragging his guillotine around beheading civilians? Your propaganda is old man.
Profile photo for Thuận Bá Thuận Bá · April 15, 2019 Yeh. I checked the older images of the Saigon before 1975. It looked like a pretty peaceful (though it probably wasn’t) and beautiful place. My mom said that before 1975, her aunt owned a car. But after that, she had to sell it and bought a motorbike instead (?). HCM City now looks pretty modern, but wish that some of the historic places (like Ba Son) could stay. Of course, having no grudges at the government now (like I’m literally living here anyway).
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 Saigon still look poorer now (a bit more modern) then it did prior to 1975. Saigon was a rich city back then. There is a reason why a song was made about it. It was the Singapore of Southeast Asia.
Profile photo for Tony The Pepperoni Tony The Pepperoni · October 16 The notion of Sai Gon was richer in 1975 was debatable. However one has to wonder at what was the cost, thousands of country folks got displaced, killed or seriously injured per week. Was that really justified for the better life of the city dwellers?
Profile photo for Raymond Greiner Raymond Greiner · March 5, 2018 For many years after 1975 I was careful, especially in Vietnam, to refer to the largest city in Vietnam as Ho Chi Minh City. Then a few years ago when I was living there I took the train from Hanoi back home. I looked at my ticket and saw that the state run railway said I was officially going to “Saigon.” From then on I decided I could use “Saigon” too.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · March 5, 2018 Hmm, when I was in Hanoi the concierge at my hotel noticeably frowned when I said I had been in Saigon recently. There is still a district in HCMC generally understood as Saigon these days, so maybe that's where your train was headed officially?
Profile photo for Raymond Greiner Raymond Greiner · March 7, 2018 Thanks. I’ll look for the reaction I get from strangers when I use the old name. I’m a less than keen observer of such things. :)
Andy Tad Huynh · August 17, 2018 Contrary to some Overseas Viet presumption, using the word Saigon most of the time won’t stir anything up, be it at the South, Central or the North. This may safely be applied to many other used to be sensitive terms as well. At least that’s what I’ve observed after the Doi Moi era from late 90s.
The word Saigon may also mean “the downtown” to the Saigonese themselves which prefers to district 1 and parts of district 3 and 5. I haven’t heard of this term as much as before though, probably since Saigon is expanding fast with many other new little “downtowns” like district 7 and 2.
Dương T. Nguyễn · September 1, 2019 It is because the Station of your destination is officially called “Saigon station”.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Ken Harvey Ken Harvey · May 8, 2021 I had a similar experience. I think most people in Vietnam still think of HCMC as “Saigon". St. Petersburg was called Leningrad for 70 years. I suspect and hope that eventually it will revert back to Saigon. Profile photo for Ralph Nhatrang Ralph Nhatrang · August 1, 2021 Interestingly, when I went to Hanoi in 1996 there was a Hotel Saigon within 300 metres of Hanoi railway station. That was a surprise. It is still there, according to Google Earth. Profile photo for Vincent Le Vincent Le · June 7, 2018 That flag is still in the heart of South Vietnamese people. People in the South Vietnam start using this flag in the protests. Vietnamese youngsters use it for the background of their photos. We also use the term Saigon, not HCM.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Andy Tad Huynh Andy Tad Huynh · August 17, 2018 For a few, maybe. As much as do some of us hate the authoritative for all of their issues or even just being a one party totalitarian, it’s generally acceptable to assume the current flag represents the one and unified Vietnam, not necessarily a party’s flag. Most of the people and the press use Saigon and HCMC at the same time, one for informal talks and the other for both informal and formal and documenting purposes.
Profile photo for Vincent Le Vincent Le · August 23, 2018 This communist red flag is the flag of unification? Hahaha. It's the flag of oppression and occupation. We have never wanted this regime in charge. We have never wanted to see these commies. Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · April 13, 2019 I wonder how painful it was for you to see 95 millions people in Vietnam waiving the communist red flag to happily celebrate the victories of the national football team.
Profile photo for Vincent Le Vincent Le · April 14, 2019 Haha. I just laugh my ass off. The local communist cops force us to hang bloody flags on our front doors. Otherwise we will be in trouble with the authority. Do you call that is freedom? My neighbors have fishing boats and they have to hang that stupid flags too. Otherwise cops arrest them and they can’t do any business. Then when those Chinese murderers stealing and murdering our fish men, these dump communist cops can’t be seen.
The pictures shows a bunch of hooligans. Not us.
Dương T. Nguyễn · October 17, 2019 I see that you surrendered. It must be painful to see the national team constantly wins and the red flags are constantly cheered by 90 millions Vietnamese.
Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · April 14, 2019 So the majority of Vietnamese are a bunch of hooligans to you, and you are not among the majority of Vietnamese people? That makes sense. Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 It is tough but I cannot blame them. Vietnam has a very young population, most were born after 1975 so they are not aware. I only support the flag because I support my people. Unlike North Korean and South Korean, I love all Vietnamese people!
Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · May 18, 2020 Aware what? Aware that it was the flag of the winners at Dien Bien Phu, the flag that liberated Vietnam?
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 The South Vietnam flag is only a revision of past flag design. Like how the current U.S flag is a revision of past U.S flag design. As such South Vietnam flag represent Vietnam not just the south, hence the three red stripe. The ambush at Dien Bien Phu didn’t liberate Vietnam, the French were going to leave Vietnam anyway due to WWII.
Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · May 18, 2020 Yeah, like how the Ming was going to leave Vietnam anyway, so the battle of Chi Lang didn’t liberate Vietnam? Or like how the Han was going to leave Vietnam anyway, so the battle of Bach Dang 938 didn’t liberate Vietnam? Btw, do you know where the “three red stripe” flag was at the battle of Dien Bien Phu?
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 Not just Southerner, but Northerner as well. South Vietnam flag is the flag of Vietnam. I’m a northerner, that is the only flag that I accept. Flag of South Vietnam - Wikipedia - This is the flag history. Profile photo for Hai Tran Hai Tran · October 15, 2018 Beautifully worded! Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Phil Allen Phil Allen · March 5, 2018 I’ve always liked this flag.. Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Richard McConnel Richard McConnel · August 23, 2018 Excellent - intelligent discussion….. Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Vo Ba Linh Vo Ba Linh · August 17, 2018 Another interesting thing is that Oversea Vietnamese communities are either named “Little Saigon” if they fled after Saigon fell or “Little Hanoi” if they were from the North and now living in Soviet-bloc countries. Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · August 17, 2018 Yeah I've noticed that too. I rarely come across Northern dialect unless I leave the US. I run into Vietnamese people all the time, so randomly hearing Vietnamese language when I'm out and about is nothing unusual, but once I was in DC and ran into some people speaking with such thick Northern accents, I did a double take and felt certain they had to be international tourists. You just don't hear that in the US. Profile photo for Thanh T Nguyen Thanh T Nguyen · September 23, 2018 According to my understanding, three inside stripes stands for The Sky/ Ch'ien in I Ching triagram. Covered with yellow background stands for The Earth/K'un. The Earth above the Sky is symbolized for Peace. I Ching Online Reading Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 No the 3 stripe stand for the three region in Vietnam (North, Central, and South). The color red stand for our blood and the color yellow stand for our skin color. So in essence, we are yellow skin people who fight with our bloods to protect all three region of Vietnam. Profile photo for Dinh Phan Dinh Phan · August 14, 2018 We, Vietnamese American Who fled from current flag of Viet Nam, this flag is belonging to the communist party, not represent for Vietnamese people. This party and Viet Nam government is the one, not elected by Vietnamese people, this VN current flag only represent for 4 million communist party members! not Vietnamese in land or oversea!
Profile photo for Viet Le Hoang Viet Le Hoang · May 21, 2019
The communist party has its own flag tho ( red flag with yellow hammer and sickle), no one in Vietnam with decent mind waves this flag anymore…
So you mean the another 80 mil vietnamese have to embrace the old RVN flag, such a delusion statement. No and never!
Because the yellow flag presents ones who fleed this country 40 years ago, ones who betrayed and gave up, the losers, why we have to accept such a flag of unworthy and failure?
We deserve a better one!
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· May 18, 2020
U.S betrayed South Vietnam. With that said I agree with you, the South Vietnam flag to me represent weakness. Vietnam need a new flag altogether. A flag that represent freedom and strength.
Profile photo for Viet Le Hoang Profile photo for Inoue Jerry Inoue Jerry · June 18, 2018 so like you say , the people in south of america should still used they rebel flag lol cause the american flag are not they flag ( they great grand father die fighting for the rebel side vv ) Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · June 24, 2018 No, that's not what I said. The people in the American South currently live in the United States of America and are citizens of that country, not the Confederate States of America, unlike those like me and my family who fled the Republic of Vietnam as it was overrun. The people in the American South pledge allegiance to the Stars and Stripes, the only flag of the United States of America. The Confederacy also stood for and fought for a way of life that brought shame, poverty, misery, and degradation into the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and still has far-reaching consequences to this day. The two situations are not in any way equivalent. Profile photo for John Little Eagle-Freeman John Little Eagle-Freeman · January 18, 2020
I am an American Marine who fought against communism FOR the people in the small villages within The Republic of South Vietnam. Whenever wearing military clothing or regalia, I always chose to wear PROUDLY the colors of the flag of South Vietnam. I am repulsed by the current Communist Flag - it offends me. It also reminds me of the many sacrifices of my brother Marines in that war and the insulting withdrawal by weak-kneed lying politicians that simply turned their backs on the South Vietnamese, and the American Marines, Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen who served to protect the country FROM communist takeover.
I am so angered at my own government for bending to the demands of irresponsible, spoiled “privileged” college radicals and the sub-culture dopers who selfishly protested anything they weren’t able to “toss at will”.
Tôi là một lính thủy Hoa Kỳ đã chiến đấu chống lại chủ nghĩa cộng sản CHO người dân ở những ngôi làng nhỏ ở Cộng hòa miền Nam Việt Nam. Bất cứ khi nào mặc trang phục quân đội hoặc vương giả, tôi luôn chọn mặc TUYỆT VỜI màu cờ của miền Nam Việt Nam. Tôi bị phản đối bởi Cờ Cộng sản hiện tại - nó xúc phạm tôi. Nó cũng làm tôi nhớ đến nhiều sự hy sinh của anh em lính thủy đánh bộ của tôi trong cuộc chiến đó và sự rút lui xúc phạm của các chính trị gia dối trá yếu đuối chỉ đơn giản là quay lưng lại với người miền Nam Việt Nam, và lính thủy đánh bộ, lính thủy, lính không quân Mỹ phục vụ để bảo vệ đất nước TỪ cộng sản tiếp quản.
Tôi rất tức giận với chính phủ của mình vì đã bẻ cong những yêu cầu của những người cực đoan, vô trách nhiệm, và những người đào tạo văn hóa phụ đã phản đối một cách ích kỷ bất cứ điều gì họ có thể ném vào sẽ ném vào ý chí.
Các chính trị gia chỉ quan tâm đến sự nổi tiếng cá nhân với mục đích duy nhất là nhận đủ số phiếu để vào hoặc ở lại trong một cơ quan chính trị - một công việc được trả lương thực sự không đòi hỏi phải làm gì ngoài việc vỗ môi và thốt ra những lời nói vô nghĩa và không ràng buộc . Donald J. Trump là Tổng thống tốt nhất trong đời tôi, nếu không vì lý do nào khác:
1. Anh ấy làm những gì anh ấy hứa sẽ làm;
2. Anh ấy nói chính xác những gì anh ấy nói và tin vào;
Politicians care only for personal popularity for the sole purpose of getting enough votes to get into, or remain, in a political office - a overpaid job that really requires no work beyond flapping their lips and uttering “words” that are meaningless and non-binding. Donald J. Trump is the best President of my lifetime, if for no other reasons than:
He does what he promises to do; He says exactly what he means and believes in;
He is committed to this nation, it’s freedoms and rights and the same for all other friendly nations. …. Had he been in command at the time of the war in Vietnam, I feel with all certainty that it would have ended within three years and that North Vietnam would have submitted to their UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER.
Các chính trị gia chỉ quan tâm đến sự nổi tiếng cá nhân với mục đích duy nhất là nhận đủ số phiếu để vào hoặc ở lại trong một cơ quan chính trị - một công việc được trả lương thực sự không đòi hỏi phải làm gì ngoài việc vỗ môi và thốt ra những lời nói vô nghĩa và không ràng buộc . Donald J. Trump là Tổng thống tốt nhất trong đời tôi, nếu không vì lý do nào khác:
1. Anh ấy làm những gì anh ấy hứa sẽ làm; 2. Anh ấy nói chính xác những gì anh ấy nói và tin vào; 3. Anh ấy cam kết với quốc gia này, đó là quyền tự do và quyền của người khác và tương tự cho tất cả các quốc gia thân thiện khác. Sầu. 4. Anh ấy đã chỉ huy vào thời điểm chiến tranh ở Việt Nam, tôi cảm thấy chắc chắn rằng nó sẽ kết thúc trong vòng ba năm và Bắc Việt Nam sẽ đệ trình lên NGƯỜI TỰ TIN KHÁC NHAU của họ. One day, the flag of THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH VIETNAM will fly again over SAIGON, CHU LAI, DANANG, HUẾ và QUANG TRÍ. Một ngày nào đó, lá cờ của CỘNG HÒA NAM NAM sẽ lại bay trên SAIGON, CHU LAI, DANANG, HUẾ và QUANG TRÍ. Profile photo for Cecil DeVille Cecil DeVille · September 26 So, somehow this posting ended up as a suggestion for me to read in late September of 2021. I read through all the comments and have come to the conclusion that one thing is for certain especially in the case of when discussing the two flags, geographic location, and genealogy. Flag pride, national pride, and ethnic pride do nothing but create problems and arguments.
I can never and will never understand ethnical or national pride because for me pride should only be for something one achieves or attains in life, not something that happens by birth. Being born in a certain geographical location and into a certain ethnicity isn’t a skill.
But people love pride. They feel full when they wave a flag, or brag about their ethnicity. Look no further than the comments here and one can see what pride does. It creates a bitterness and discord towards each other. There is no pride in such behavior. If there were no such thing as a flag or borders, we wouldn’t have any bitterness towards each other. Try to purge your thoughts of such evil and realize that we are all human beings and should act like such.
Profile photo for Jason Tran Jason Tran · August 15, 2018 The simple reason I don't accept the current flag of Vietnam is that I am not a communist.
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · August 21, 2019 The South Vietnamese flag is one of the most powerful and beautiful flag in the world. The current communist flag is an absolute abomination. Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · September 1, 2019 Yeah, like how it beautifully and powerfully flew over Dien Bien Phu on the French's side in 1954? Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · September 1, 2019 You have a point. I suggest when Vietnam is ever free from communism, that a new flag is propose. Meanwhile I will support this flag because millions die fighting for freedom under this flag. Comment deletedMarch 19, 2020 Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · January 30, 2020 What's your point? I'm American and I intend to stay that way and never implied that I wasn't. Vietnamese-Americans never had any reason to embrace the current flag and we still don't have any reason to. I'm just answering the question that was asked. On the other hand, I have no clue what you're going on about. Profile photo for Tran Chi Anh Tran Chi Anh · April 30, 2020 The term “no longer exist” should be changed to “ never exist” Profile photo for Andy Tran Andy Tran · April 25, 2019 Cause Communism sucks! Profile photo for Quoc Bao Quoc Bao · September 26 Then you are American citizen with Vietnamese ethnic background. Profile photo for Tim Dougherty Tim Dougherty · August 14, 2018 Your family picked.the wrong side more than.once. The Uda sute could use some capital.reform. Money should not rule. Profile photo for Thinh Nguyen Thinh Nguyen · August 14, 2018 Yes Tim, we took chances for freedom and democracy, Profile photo for Michael Herndon Michael Herndon · October 23 Well said! Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · January 4, 2021 3 que tượng trưng cho 3 miền đất nước ,nhưng các người lại ủng hộ nước VN chia cắt.Thật lố bịch. 3 sticks represent the 3 regions of the country, but you support a divided Vietnam.Ridiculous. Profile photo for Hai-Duong Pham Hai-Duong Pham · October 14, 2018 Yes, Saigon 4ever!!! Profile photo for Hào Phạm Hào Phạm · May 9, 2019 do you know ‘3 que’ ? Comment deletedMarch 19, 2020 Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · January 30, 2020 What's your point? I'm American and I intend to stay that way and never implied that I wasn't. Vietnamese-Americans never had any reason to embrace the current flag and we still don't have any reason to. I'm just answering the question that was asked. On the other hand, I have no clue what you're going on about. Sponsored by FinanceBuzz 8 clever moves when you have $1,000 in the bank. We've put together a list of 8 money apps to get you on the path towards a bright financial future. Profile photo for Mina Mina Answered Sep 27 Because my parents were born under that flag and so were my grandparents. My grandparents are from the North but moved into the South and technically they were born under the Heritage and Freedom flag because that flag was also flown all over Hanoi before HCM gabbed power. (My grandparents were born before HCM and his Communist followers came into the picture). That flag represents an actual country that once existed and it wouldn’t make sense for the Vietnamese communities overseas to use the current flag of Vietnam because the truth of the matter is that these overseas Vietnamese communities are from a country called South Vietnam. 416 viewsView 6 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · September 30 because that flag was also flown all over Hanoi before HCM gabbed power. And what do you think about this? Before HCM “gabbed power”, Hanoi was under illegal occupation of the French. Since the flag was flown under the illegal occupation of the French, what do you think it represented? Did it represent the illegal French occupation? Did it represent the puppets who served the French? How do you justify it? Profile photo for Dzung Le Dzung Le , former Sale Manager at Samsung (2008-2012) Answered May 20, 2019 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? There are some reasons: Some uses their former SVN flag as their way to antagonize the nowaday Vietnam government. Many simply doesn’t dare to challenge that, so they keep following more extremists way to avoid trouble, especially in the same community. As they learn from some lessons in the past, for example, a man named Tran Truong who flied the red flag in his store with picture of President Ho Chi Minh, that move caused a giant protest in front of his store in USA in 1990s, actually ruined his business thereafter. Recently, there are more challenges like that happened and the reaction of the V… (more) Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Chi Dung Nguyen Chi Dung Nguyen · May 22, 2019 Vietnamese overseas know about the United Nations, so no question about legitimacy of the “Red flag”. I think they just want to keep the flag of RVN in their communities in order to remind them of those good old days before the communists arrived and destroyed their lives. Their reaction towards the “Red flag” in their communities is understandable, maybe not always acceptable. Regarding the Mrs. World 2019 (not Miss World right?), the lady was born in the USA, so I suppose she is American citizen, so it confuses me when you write “she raised the red flag……..for the country she represented for”. I myself know that some people would do anything for fame and fortune, take for instance Vietnamese artists, musicians who live in the USA, but earn their livings by performing in Vietnam (they must naturally follow the terms of their contracts with local authority), som Mrs. World with the red flag is no shock for us, especially when the news is from Pho Bolsa TV (pro SRVN). Profile photo for Larry Vo Larry Vo · May 25, 2019 No Real people in Vietnam nor outside recognize your bloody flag. It does not represent 96 Million Vietnamese in or out. Girl in picture was trapped by someone in back stage. South Vietnam flag will be official flag of Vietnam when few more years communist government in Vietnam fall down. Profile photo for Dzung Le Dzung Le · May 27, 2019 In USA, you have your right to call Trump as fake. But he’s the real President of USA. So is Pompeo Profile photo for Duy Inoue Le Duy Inoue Le · June 17, 2019 larry vo you american vietnamese are so out of touch with vietnam lol your yellow 3 stripe flag will never be official flag of vietnam lel keep dream on meth head larry vo Sponsored by SmartAsset How to Conquer Your Biggest Retirement Fear. Simple mistakes can wreak havoc on your retirement. A financial advisor can help. Related questions More answers below When will a lot of Vietnamese overseas stop portraying bad images about Vietnam on the Internet? Why have overseas Vietnamese done nothing worthwhile for Vietnam? Why do a lot of Vietnamese overseas hate Vietnam? Profile photo for Peter Tran Peter Tran , Research history through reading books and Internet Answered Mar 4, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? To answer this question, one should ask oneself what is the reason for the Vietnamese overseas to leave their ancestors homeland in the first place? Is it because of economic reason? If that is the case, then they would be labeled as immigrants. Or is it because of political reason? If that is the case, then they would be labeled as refugees. From history perspective , the Vietnamese overseas left Vietnam as refugees. Therefore, they left Vietnam to go to their host countries to avoid political or religious prosecution. So to ask the Vietnamese overseas to accept the current Vietnam flag is like to ask them to betray the very real reason why they left Vietnam in the first place and also to ask them to betray their host countries which took them in as refugees to protect them from harm ways. The reason the Vietnamese overseas still keep using the former South Vietnam flag is because they want to make a statement that they are truly refugees and not economic immigrants. Currently half of Vietnam population are under 30 years old, born after the war ended 43 years ago, so understandably they view the current Vietnam flag as the true flag that represents Vietnam. But to the Vietnamese overseas, that flag is the real reason why they left Vietnam in the first place. Now let’s reverse the history and let the South Vietnam win instead; therefore, the people that ruled North Vietnam will take refuge in Russia or China. After a while, would they and their descendants in turn accept the South Vietnam flag as a flag that would represent them while they are exiled in their host countries? So hopefully the person that had asked this question would be more understanding and be more empathy to the Vietnamese overseas as they live their lives in exile in their adopted countries. 4.5K viewsView 57 upvotesView 2 shares 19 comments from Cheong Tee and more Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu , Grew up in Vietnam Answered Feb 25, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? As citizens of the former Republic of Vietnam, they are now citizens of Australia, Canada, or the US. They are Vietnamese but not Vietnamese citizens after all. They do not need to obey the laws of Vietnam, hence they can follow whatever flags they like. 3.4K viewsView 46 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for April Erbe April Erbe · February 26, 2018 I agreed. I currently living in Orange County and we have the largest overseas Vietnamese community here. Most of these Vietnamese or Vietnamese-Americans left Vietnam due to communism. Many of them escaped by boats from what they view as an oppressive regime and they are very anti-communist. You cannot expect them to fly the flag that represent the regime that they are very much against. Even though Vietnam had opened up the country and there are more freedom now, these Vietnamese anti-communist diehards are never going to fly the current flag. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 The communist regime was the big enemy of the Vietnamese living in Out site of Vietnam, the communist they put all the high range military man of south Vietnam in inhumanity education camp and robe the middle of south Vietnam and they pressure to try to suppress freedom and to take money out of the middle class, their actions resulted in a big wave of south Vietnamese living the Country to find freedom in this journey we lost 50% of the boat people, So the flag of the South Vietnam is the flag of the Vietnamese living in foreign countries and we all still want to go back to our country we are Americans only in our mind and our heart our souls we are the parole, until we can see the communist regimes in Vietnam collapse and we can go back there to live in our country for the last day of our life Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 6, 2019 Well, please don't blanket associate "Vietnamese living in foreign countries" with the flag of the deceased regime. I and many other Vietnamese living overseas do not have any connection with that flag. Not all overseas Vietnamese left the country by boat. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 You know the boat people make history all over the world Vietnamese don’t fear of deep sea and the chance of survival only50% which means we got on millions people in the US and another million people around the world and we lost 2 million people at sea we pay a dearly price for our freedom. You should be proud of the boat people instead you isolated them like the low level don’t have enough knowledge or education to be close with you. I don’t know the people like you bring what to Australia as the contribution. Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 6, 2019 Why should we proud of the boat people? The ARVN was supposed to defend the country, but they were the first to flee. The upper class and the rich were next to follow. We the peasants remained in the country. We are the ones who have experienced the poverty, the difficulty, and the development progress of the country ever since. You fled the country for your own better future. You were so brave to risk your life crossing the sea for your own future. Your arrival may make a history, but again, it's the history of your destination. Your departure, your bravery, your journey, your history had nothing to do with us the remainders. I respect your choice to seek refuge overseas. I sympathize that you had to flee the Fatherland. I'm sorry for your loss during your journey crossing the sea. But there is no reason for me a remainder to proud of the leavers. And mind you, there is an estimate of 4.5 million of Vietnamese living overseas. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 The time the boat people left Vietnam the communist party just took over the south Vietnam and the communist they are very much don’t have any human right in their way of government they give people very minimal of human respect and they abuse power and the law was not Truly makes out of congress like the country you are at now for your education, The south Vietnam was living with freedom and people are a bit richer than the north. The communist at the beginning when they just United our country, they were coming from the forest with very much not thing and the south Vietnam is.a lot different than what they been imagined. So the soldiers in the low level started to corrupt and try to take advantage of the people. The communist asking the peoples to the new economic zone and take a way their home. And the people of the south Vietnam soldiers, the communist put them in re-educated camp in the mountains or in the north Vietnam very far from society and treated them very bad ‘ That was created a very large number of people left Vietnam on boat very small boat you can see them at the farm and river in Vietnam, the boat give you 50% success to start from Vietnam to the international water and to the near by country. In a few years they have a few million people left and 50% of them deaths at sea and 50% alive. The international community has to come up with the program to recuse them and pressured the communist of Vietnam to stop them, a lot of people living are rich people they have to buy the boat and give the communist gold or dollars to buy their way out. Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 6, 2019 You got a lengthy reply but I don’t understand if it has anything to do with us the remainders. You were so brave to flee. We the remainders were also so brave to live with what you feared. You gave up your wealth to cross the sea. All you left behind were us the remainders. The human traffickers and the pirates got your wealth, we the remaining peasants got nothing. We remainders did not benefit from your departure. Mind you, not all South Vietnamese were wealthy under the deceased regime. The ARVN members and the richies were the first to flee the country. The remaining peasants did not join the exodus. They lived in poverty under the former regime, and had nothing to lose under the new authority. If the old regime did not cease to exist, there would be no guarantee that the peasants would live more comfortably. In fact, our living standards have been slowly improved under the ruling of the new regime, despite the “harsh policies” and the embargoes by the US, where you were living comfortably and enjoying your “freedom”. I agree that there was a vast number of people fleeing the country in the 80s, but there were much more people staying in the country. I understand your hostile attitude towards the current regime. You risked your lives to flee the “unfair treatments” from the current regime. You suffered a lot during your journey across the sea. You are totally entitled to proud of that. But we remainders were the ones who “suffered” whatever bad things which made you flee. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 Hello my friend you didn’t left Vietnam by boat how did you get out of Vietnam you belong to the corrupt red communist of Vietnam and left Vietnam with lots of foreign currency, or you are a good student and came to Australia for higher education and your family still in Vietnam. We said Vietnamese living in foreign countries and anti communist and calling our self parole people. Even I am a US citizen and well educated in Americans. To us we are in foreign countries just for avoiding the communist ruling our life and we leverage the time we are in the western country with the best technology and high standards of living. We learned all of that and waiting for the time to go back to our country and see if we can contribute anything. I don’t know what you are thinking and what makes you so isolated with the flag of the last deceased government. we don’t blanked you with us that easy we are the parole and refugee living in foreign countries When you have time we invite you to littleSaigon to see how our capital of the Vietnamese paroles and refugees and see if you really Proud to be the refugee and parole Vietnamese people Profile photo for Dong Nguyen Ha Dong Nguyen Ha · March 11, 2018 The Communist Vietnam is not our Vietnam. Viet Kieus love the country and the people, but not the Communist government, which is represented by the red flag with the yellow star. We have no allegiance to this government, so we don't fly the red flag. To show pride in our Vietnamese heritage, we fly the yellow flag with three stripes. Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · August 21, 2019 Viet Kieu are the only true Vietnamese because our culture, custom, and values are still intact. We fought for our countries freedom. So many risked their lives to save Vietnam by fighting communism. Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 21, 2019 Fought for freedom? Really? Who were the first fleeing the country? Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · August 21, 2019 North Vietnamese follow by South Vietnamese. A lot of Vietnamese like my family came to the U.S after our parents were torture in re-education gulag camps. Those that escaped in 1975 were lucky. Vietnamese boat people or anyone that came via plane in the 90’s left because they had no other choice. We fought to the last bullets, U.S stop sending Aids money because they allied with China and betrayed Vietnam. Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 21, 2019 So were ARVN members the first to flee? Weren't they supposed to defend the "country"? Didn't they leave the civilians behind? By the way, I used to hear the terms "tactical retreat". Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · March 20, 2021 The way you locked very much like an educated person, but you have money to go to school in Australia, and you don’t understand the democracy of the country you are in, and don’t know how to apply your knowledge into your life, respect others ideology, the communists of Vietnam are corrupted and sent their children to the United States, Australia but we don’t care about their parents, we still treated them like our Vietnamese with respect. Human thinking is your fortune used your education and knowledge for the benefits of life in the country you are in for success and happiness, you can love the communists of Vietnam but respect the other ideology and freedom Profile photo for Dylan Pham Dylan Pham · March 6, 2018 I grew up in the USA, where I didn't know that the flag of Vietnam was a red flag with a yellow star until I was 12. In the US and other Vietnamese diasporas in Canada and other European countries, we pledge allegience to the republic, not the communist state. It represents our free selves, and logically , we brought over the Republic flag because we didn't want to pledge to the Communist one. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 That is your opinion you are in Australia not in Vietnam and to me I don’t came to the US to live the Americans dream. I really anticommunist , the flag of communist now is really unhealthy has nothing representing the Vietnam people. It only gave me the Red communist with no or low education and ruling our country with red blood all over our country and at the deep sea . The flag right now the Vietnamese major of them love it and most of them was willing to die for that flag, and they are my last generation they don’t have much longer time to see our country to be a united Capitalist again We both live in the freedom world if you don’t want to be count as the parole Vietnamese and want to be in the site of the communist world you have the right to do so and we all respect your freedom Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · September 4, 2020 You seem to forget who were the signatories of the Paris Peace Accord 1973. You seem to deny the fact that the Republic of Vietnam was just one of the two Vietnamese entities in the South of Vietnam. You seem to reject the existence of the Republic of South Vietnam, or more precisely the Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam. South Vietnam was not a united Capitalist country. The peole willing to die for that flag were the first to flee the country.
By the way, I am an overseas Vietnamese citizen.
Comment deletedJuly 17, 2019 Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · March 11, 2018 To be honest, I don't bother to care. I am a Southern Vietnamese. I was born after 1975 under the ruling of the current regime. The red striped yellow flag is alien to me.
My mother's uncle was an officer of the ARVN. He came to the US under the Orderly Departure Program about 20 years ago and never come back. My mother's sister once tried and failed to flee the country. Her family lost almost all their money and gold. They remain in Vietnam, just are not as wealthy as they were. I still don't bother to care much.
The world may have sympathy for the boat people for their pain and their loss, but I don't see any reason for us remainders to do so. Vietnamese refugees risked their lives to escape from the current regime for their own future. We remainders are still living under the current regime. The leavers saw living under the current regime unbearable, we the remainders are currently bearing it.
I came to Australia as a student and migrated under the skilled migration scheme. As an overseas Vietnamese, the yellow flag is still alien to me, albeit others fly it next to the Aussie flag.
Comment deletedJuly 17, 2019 Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · March 11, 2018 Instead of answering your question, lemme tell you one thing. My grandmother was tortured by the ARVN. She lived in pain for the rest of her life. She passed away in pain. The family of my father's sister was killed by the ARVN too. Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Bảo Thiên Ngô , California-born Vietnamese American Updated Feb 2, 2020 Colonialism → Independence movement → War of two governments → Reunification At the turn of the 20th century, the area that constituted current-day Vietnam was part of the Indochinese Union (IU) 🇫🇷 and my grandparents (as well as many of the grandparents of my current generation I’m sure) were born during this time as French subjects. At the onset of WWII, nationalist movements throughout Southeast Asia were springing up. Among them were the Viet Minh, who used the red flag 🇻🇳 as a rallying flag for independence starting in 1940. Imperial Japan ousted the French government authorities and occupied the IU during WWII. Following the surrender of Japan and WWII, Ho Chi Minh declared an independent Vietnam on September 2, 1945, and formed the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV). It was at war with France who tried to reassert their control of Indochinese Union after WWII. In 1949, the State of Vietnam was formed by France as they transitioned from the old colonial system and formed the French Union, of which the State of Vietnam was a part of. Bear in mind, like the DRV which claim all of Vietnam under its jurisdiction, so did the State of Vietnam. The State of Vietnam would use the yellow flag with three stripes 🏳☰. In 1954, the French would be defeated by DRV, and at the Geneva Conference that year, an agreement was made that Vietnam would be divided at the 17th parallel, with the DRV occupying the north half of Vietnam, and the State of Vietnam in the southern half, with elections to take place for a president that would preside over both halves. That election never took place, and thus began a war between DRV and the State of Vietnam vying for control over the fate of the whole Vietnam. The State of Vietnam would become the Republic of Vietnam (RVN) in 1955 as it left the French Union. From 1955 to 1975, Americans became involved to work with RVN to contain DRV. Although Americans call this the Vietnam War, and North Vietnamese would call this the American War, remember there was still a conflict between DRV and RVN. Americans withdrew from Vietnam in 1973, and eventually the RVN was defeated in 1975, and Vietnam being reunified a year later. Exodus of South Vietnamese post-Reunification Reference: What happened to South Vietnam after the war? So you have a whole generation who grew up from 1955 to 1975 under the RVN which used the yellow flag. Then after Vietnam was reunified, these people, especially former RVN soldiers, were brought in for evaluation and sent to reeducation camps. I’ve done an interview of my father who was a telecommunications officer of the ARVN. Following the end of the war, he had to remain in hiding and kept a low profile in Ho Chi Minh City (no longer called Saigon), because his ARVN comrades were being reported by their neighbors and then escorted to reeducation camps. He ended up in a reeducation camp for 5 years. During this time, his family was starving. Although he claims it was due to discrimination from their ties to my father being a former ARVN soldier, I think everyone was struggling considering that the U.S. imposed an embargo on Vietnam (one that wouldn’t be lifted until 1994). Despite the end of the war, Vietnam would find itself in still more conflicts, such as the Cambodian-Vietnamese War (1978–1989) and the Sino-Vietnamese War in 1979, leading to a China-led embargo on Vietnam. Neighbors were keeping an eye on each other, breeding a sense of cautious distrust. And regardless of whether discrimination was intentional, an estimated 1.6 million Vietnamese were resettled between 1975 and 1997, either as boat people or through orderly departure programs, and another estimated 200–400 thousand boat people died at sea. Look, I’m not judging; I can imagine being in the shoes of a Communist Party administrator presiding over HCM City and having the responsibility of restoring order following one war, and simultaneously wanting to suppress any possible insurrection by former RVN military while you’re in the middle of yet another war. You simply cannot afford internal revolt. Yes, I’ve heard stories of those former RVN military who tried to incite revolt or maintain resistance against the Communist Party. Regardless, the harsh tactics of the Vietnamese government failed to win the hearts and minds of these former RVN soldiers and their families. And they were also impacted economically as the country struggled to rebuild and stabilize its economy. So they fled the country. And then they resettled in countries where they had the freedom to express their hate for the victorious Communist Party of Vietnam, whom they blame for the death of their comrades/family during the war, the suffering within reeducation camps, the economic discrimination in post-Reunification Vietnam, and the suffering and death of boat people. And they used the flags as a way to embody their pain and anger. The yellow flag would be a rallying point of a shared trauma. The red flag became the target of their extreme hate of the Communist victors. Anti-communism in the diaspora communities Reference: Why do most Vietnamese Americans hate the current Vietnamese government? So in these new countries, and I’ll use the United States since I’m most familiar with this country, the Vietnamese refugees would try to rebuild their livelihoods. And even though the war was over, they had the freedom to congregate, and use the yellow flag as remembrance for everything they had lost. No, they weren’t mourning over the government. If anything, even they also lamented how the leaders behaved. No, the loss they felt is having to leave all of their possessions behind. They left all of their extended relatives behind. They lost family and friends to death. And they could not go back to their homeland. And so the activity of denouncing communists would become tradition. Part of these traditions would be groups that would engage in active takedowns of red flags in the United States (I call these people yellow guards). It certainly was still happening in the mid-2000s when I was a college student. And unsurprisingly, you also had multiple fundamentally anti-communist organizations forming overseas as well, such as Third Republic of Vietnam, Government of Free Vietnam, and the Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League to name a few. I believe the current Vietnamese government designates all of them as terrorist groups (though Vietnam’s definition of terrorism differs from the U.S. in that it includes activities that undermine the solidarity of the nation). One of the largest examples of this anti-communism was the Hi-Tek incident where in 1999, a video store owner put up the red flag and a portrait of Ho Chi Minh, drawing thousands to demonstrate outside the store with the yellow flag in arms. Why? I think people came for various reasons. Some were certainly yellow guards who wanted to take down the red flag. But I think most people wanted to express the pain caused by their lives under the red flag. This pain has been unacknowledged by the current Vietnamese government. Look, I understand that Vietnam during this time was economically starving under a U.S.-led embargo, and trying to build a self-sufficient and independent country after several wars and colonialism. In my personal opinion, I felt like Vietnam was punished and set up to fail, and when the government made mistakes while having little international support, those who lived outside of Vietnam used those mistakes as reasons that the government is incompetent, cruel, and illegitimate, and that the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) should just be dissolved. That’s not to say the CPV is completely faultless; corruption, incompetence, and violence do happen. But I go beyond where most people stop: I seek to understand why. What was the environment like that made these people act the way they did? I think hatred has a way of narrowing one’s view of the bigger picture of what’s truly happening. I don’t accept simple rhetoric of “evil” or “brainwashed”. I think over time, the anti-communist rallies needed reasons to delegitimize the Vietnamese government. And so they used the matter of freedom of speech in Vietnam. According to Reporters Without Borders, Vietnam is almost dead last when it comes to freedom of the press. Although the usage of the yellow flag inside Vietnam per se not illegal, it can be tied to conspiracy against the state (see Is it a crime to display the South Vietnam flag in Vietnam?). So then a feedback loop occurs: the Vietnamese government enhances the importance of the yellow flag by making its usage a crime, and then the yellow flag supporters will then want to use it even more BECAUSE the Vietnamese government cracks down on its usage, further evidence of its lack of respect for freedom of speech and its illegitimacy, which then makes the Vietnamese government want to further tighten its control over the media to make sure insurrections don’t happen… and on and on we go. And over the decades, Vietnamese American organizations would try to get the yellow flag publicly recognized in cities, counties, and other public institutions, as the official flag representing the Vietnamese American community. It is given the name Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag. The movement for official recognition is still ongoing, as are red-flag takedowns. The Silent Spaces During this time, you had multiple waves of migrations. Some were family members sponsored by the refugees that were already here. Some came later not so much for political persecution, but economic reasons. And then following the lifting of the U.S.-led embargo in 1994, a growing number of international students. You had a mix of those who have lived under the RVN, with those who were born after the war. Anti-communism has a way of dominating headlines because its nature is to be vocal and visible. What about the people who were born after the war, lived in Vietnam for, say, 15 years, and then got sponsored to live here in the United States. Technically, they grew up under the red flag, and then arrived to the U.S. and saw the yellow flag for the first time. Some may learn to adopt the yellow flag as their identity. And then some don’t. I have a friend who doesn’t give a care about the flags; he says it doesn’t put food on the table. People like him navigate the communities by adopting a “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” attitude. Because I work with Vietnamese American youth from the year 2000 until even now, I’ve seen the whole range and gamut of the various Vietnamese Student Associations (VSA) across college campuses and the students that comprise them. And the flag issue comes up (see Christopher VanLang's answer to Do new immigrant Vietnamese people have a serious clash of ideology with old overseas Vietnamese community in the West? How do they live peacefully? and Chi Tran's answer to What is your experience of being a Vietnamese person in America?). Some VSAs will use the yellow flag. Some will use no flag, because a large portion of their membership are those who grew up under the red flag. If they had a choice, they might use the red flag, but that would draw attention and ire from yellow guards who will immediately try to shut them down. One of my friends, who came to the U.S. from Vietnam to attend college, was hit in the back of her head once when someone found out she was a student from Vietnam; essentially stereotyped without a chance to share herself. This happened around 2015, so not too long ago. There are no-flag spaces where you have a mix of both Vietnamese American youth who are born here, alongside those who grew up in part or entirely in post-Reunification Vietnam. Some students might even have family on both sides of the war (I recommend reading The Best We Could Do: An Illustrated Memoir by Thi Bui). In these spaces where political affiliation isn’t so clear-cut, they come together with an agreement that connection, respect, and shared joy is more important than brandishing a flag that could serve as a wall between them. I don’t know how common it is, because their nature is to be silent and not advertise themselves. Future of the flags in America There will still be strong support by the first generation for the yellow flag, because the emotional trauma makes that connection so strong. Simultaneously, they are the ones will actively take down red flags. Trauma cannot be healed; it can only be managed. The second generation will use the yellow flag both out of respect for the first generation, and also because it has become a part of their identity. They may continue to try to take down the red flag, mainly because the first generation are watching. Those who don’t wave the yellow flags are either staying silent and hidden, or have acculturated into mainstream America and developed no interest on the matter. By the third generation, it’s probable that the red-flag takedowns cease, and you see both flags, but in a segregated community. They don’t carry hate, but they still cling to their family’s history and tradition, and will insist that their family’s flag is represented. I personally take interest in some kind of reconciliation. I don’t know what that looks like yet, but for those interested in that kind of discussion, see How can there be proper reconciliation between the current Vietnamese government in Hanoi, and former South Vietnamese military veterans and administrators? and How could we reconcile extreme Northern Vietnamese with overseas Southern Vietnamese? 2.5K viewsView 16 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Tuan Vu Tuan Vu · January 28, 2020 If there are 1 mil upvotes, I will surely upvote a million times! Well-done Ngô Thiên Bảo! You have written a clear and precise explanation on the Flag complications between the Vietnamese in Vietnam and Vietnamese Americans and their younger generations. Being born and raised in Vietnam myself and having lived in Australia for a few years, I faced a dilemma in meeting and discussing with the former Viet refugees living in Melbourne. According to them everything in Vietnam is corrupt and that nothing can be done to resolve the situation except the collapse of the Party and the current regime. Anyway I was traumatised for about 2 years sharing a house with an ex refugees too (you know, hearing negative rants about my home country everyday). Now i am alright, I can’t say I hate these people (they were victims ofthe war and the chaotic post-war years), but I sympathise with them for what they have been through. Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Bảo Thiên Ngô · January 28, 2020 Thanks Tuan Vu, we both experience what is called secondhand trauma; we did not experience the war, but the impact on our grandparents and parents generation does have an impact on our generation. It’s not a term a lot of people use, but I bring it up because it precisely describes what we went through. Otherwise, I’m glad you’re doing well! Profile photo for Tuan Vu Profile photo for Tuan Vu Tuan Vu · January 28, 2020 That is right. We were born after the war and everything we knew about it have been told from the our parents who were directly or indirectly affected from the war. Changing people’s minds is very hard, especially for the Vietnamese people, of any side in the war. But I have tried my best to conform and to sympathise with (and not Hate) those Viet Australians of old generations. Still I find it amused (?) or hilarious when someone keep talking badly about my country, a place where they have never lived for the past decades. Having lived and grown up in Vietnam for 3 decades, I can’t say we are among the top among Asia (as those ex refugees expected), but we are striving to build up a robust economy and reform our policies with our current financial and human resources. I mean it is so easy to tell from a point of view of foreigners visiting Vietnam once in a while, but it will mean nothing to some ex-refugees who always find excuses to have my country destroyed. Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · January 4, 2021 The defeated 2 million immigrants have no right to speak for 97 million Vietnamese.Your crimes to Vietnam are never forgotten Profile photo for Duc Ha Duc Ha · June 15, 2021 There is not an ounce of hate or prejudice in your post. You made effort in trying to understand and respect the stories of both sides. If 50% of the people from both sides could make similar effort before the war, there would have been no war to start with. Respect! Profile photo for Linh Dang Linh Dang · January 11, 2021 Very thorough and balance answer. Profile photo for SANG PHAM SANG PHAM , lives in Ho Chi Minh City (2005-present) Answered Sep 28 Because many of them still associate with that flag, they were born in the Republic of Vietnam and when they left for America or other countries. When they have children they want them to continue to use it to represent Vietnam. They get really offended when people rip it or when people fly the current flag of Vietnam. For me as a Vietnamese that never grow up in the Republic of Vietnam, it’s fascinating, but that’s it. 191 viewsView 1 upvote Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Falco Cherrug Falco Cherrug , lives in Vietnam (1995-present) Answered Aug 10, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? People that are trying to hold onto something that did not exist since 1975. Usually also people that add nothing to the development of modern Vietnam and believe everything was better in the “good old days”. 885 viewsView 13 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 10, 2019 Have you seen this Early Chinese Liberation Flag. Note, Ho chi Minh was the military member of this army in late 1920 to mid 1930 under the nane Hu Guang with the rank of lieutenant. gutian congress mao tse tung Profile photo for Truyen Ho Truyen Ho · August 26, 2019 The 3 red stripes on yellow flag , which is represented well the Vietnamese people and land of the country . Yellow skin , red blood Viet living evenly in 3 parts ( North , Central , South , 33 millions each + 3 millions Viet overseas ) . The current RED flag does not represent any of Viet . It is VERY matching with Communist Chinese and old Soviet ( ( 1917-1989 ) Profile photo for Rei Lee Rei Lee , lives in Hong Kong Answered Jan 3, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Overseas Vietnamese sees the south Vietnamese flag as the true representation of the Vietnamese people and its country, (The three strips in the middle of the flag actually represents the north, central, and south Vietnam) instead of the current flag (I don’t see it representing anything culturally Vietnamese other than the communist ideology), since they don’t associate themselves with communism they would fly the south Vietnamese flag(Note that the south Vietnamese flag is known as the Vietnamese heritage flag, since the country does not exist anymore). 3.3K viewsView 25 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Arthur Hu Arthur Hu · January 13, 2018 Maybe better to ask why so many Americans in the 1960s flew the flag of the Viet cong, and still think they were the good guys. Profile photo for Thanh T. Nguyễn Thanh T. Nguyễn · January 11, 2018 Actually, our current flag is similiar to the flag of Tay Son dynasty, its has flag with red color and the yellow star in the middle resembles the current Vietnam flag, the people in that time see the star as a circle so the flag. And the yellow flag with three red stripes that the people nowaday view as nothing more than a French puppet or for someone it similiar to 18th century Civil war between Tay Son dynasty, Trinh lords and Nguyen lords. Sorry for any grammar or vocabulary errors for which my English skill is not very good. Profile photo for Rei Lee Rei Lee · January 11, 2018 That is interesting to know, but what I have said is from the perspective of overseas Vietnamese(the ones who escaped the Communists when they took over South Vietnam) because they are the ones who still use the flag with the three stripes. They don’t see the flag as symbolizing a puppet state, but I believe this is the perspective of the Vietnamese population in Vietnam and ones who recently emigrated. Profile photo for Thanh T. Nguyễn Profile photo for Thanh T. Nguyễn Thanh T. Nguyễn · January 12, 2018 I feel pity for them for becoming like this, after all they are still Vietnamese, they have been brainwashed by propaganda from the Cold War. Communist or not, this is merely a tool to our own liberation, everything we have done so far are coming from nationalism. You may don't know that, after gained independent from the Japanese, the first thing Ho Chi Minh did was to establish diplomatic relation with the US but Henry S. Truman ignore it and continue support the French Profile photo for Rei Lee Rei Lee · January 12, 2018 They just hate Communism, these things can’t be helped. Some of them gone through hell because the communists took over. I also realized that flying the current Vietnamese flag or displaying a portrait of Ho Chi Minh in overseas Vietnamese communities are seen as huge offenses and they would petition for the flag or portrait to be removed. Profile photo for Tim Tran Tim Tran · February 25, 2018 Nó. The circle in ancient East Asia represented the sun, not the star. The sun as in the heaven, and the holder of the flag was Son of Heaven, who inherited the throne. Nothing related to the flag of modern Vietnam. The Tay Son flag also represented monarchial ideology so I don't know where you got this information from. Also, that Tây Sơn flag you're referring to is fake. It's a modern creation. If you can give me source from that time period that depicts the Tay Son flag, then we'll talk. Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 8, 2019 Gutian is the site of Gutian Congress or Gutian Conference, 9th... Profile photo for Hiep Nguyen Hiep Nguyen · January 6, 2018 Why do we have to split the country into 3 areas? Profile photo for Rei Lee Rei Lee · April 17, 2018 I think it was because of different culture and ethnic groups in the 3 areas. Profile photo for Thanh T Nguyen Thanh T Nguyen · September 23, 2018 Gutian is the site of Gutian Congress or Gutian Conference, 9th... http://c8.alamy.com/comp/GG2GC7/chinese-propaganda-poster-mao-zedong-at-the-conference-of-gutian-where-GG2GC7.jpg Flag of early Chinese Liberation Army Note: Ho chi Minh was a leutenant in this army during 1930′ period with the name Hu Guang. http://dtinews.vn/en/news/024/6308/ho-chi-minh-as-commander-hu-guang-in-china.html Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · July 16, 2019 Are The “true” people of Vietnam always the henchmen for the French, the US against the independence and unity of Vietnam? Profile photo for Long Dang Long Dang Answered May 22, 2019 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Cause they are bunch of losers who can‘t deal with the truth that they lost the vietnam war. Now they keep barking and protesting against the current government. Their flag represent the slavery of the french colonization. And that‘s what they always do: being the dog of their colonial master. 760 viewsView 12 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Minh Châu Trương Minh Châu Trương · October 25 Also, because disrespectful people like you are the face of communism and the new regime, they would really not want to have to deal with your “dog agenda" daily, and so they chose to immigrate. What do you have to offer but foul tounge and devolution. Your government is shit and VN failed to take off all those years because of corruption and being China's puppet. The country produced a bunch of foul mounth lowlies that includes you. People know what happened after the war ended regardless of how foul mounthed you are. Profile photo for Minh Châu Trương Minh Châu Trương · October 25 Well at least they are not China's dog Profile photo for Hoa Le Hoa Le , lived in Vietnam (1955-1986) Answered Mar 28, 2020 Simple answer is that Vietnamese Americans want to dissociate themselves with the actual Vietnamese communist regime. Lots of them have had family members fighting in the Vietnam war. Most of them came from high ranking members in the South Vietnamese government and therefore any actions that can be referred to surrendering to the actual regime would be considered an act of betrayal to the ones who sacrificed for that war. On the other hand this flag still creates jobs and income, so why not. 578 viewsView 5 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Bảo Thiên Ngô · May 14, 2020 How does a flag “create jobs and income”? Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn , Vietnamese history researcher since 1990 Answered May 24, 2019 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Why should they? They are not citizens of Vietnam. They are NOT Vietnamese. By becoming citizens of other countries, they abandoned their Vietnamese identity. Thus, they have neither duty nor right to talk, or even think, about Vietnam. They are, for all purposes, foreigners. It makes no sense to ask foreigners to accept the flag of Vietnam, since they have no connection to it at all. 924 viewsView 14 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Banh Dau Banh Dau , former Hardware Engineer Updated Feb 25, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? You still see many Americans fly the Confederate flag right? The current Vietnam flag represents a repressive and corrupt government, which many oversea Vietnamese ran away from. So naturally, they won’t accept that flag. It’s the same as why the Taiwanese don’t use the PRC flag, or the South Koreans don’t use the North Korean flag. 1.2K viewsView 15 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Taylor Naza Taylor Naza · March 3, 2018 Exactly. This is why many Iranians abroad also represent the pre-1979 Iranian flag. Profile photo for Louis Nguyen Louis Nguyen · November 21, 2018 Is that right? What does that flag looks like? Profile photo for Rich Kirshen Rich Kirshen , former Retired Business Owner at S. Ross & Co. (1976-2013) Answered Jul 4, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? As far as I know the only place and the only people who defiantly fly the flag of the former country of South Vietnam are Vietnamese emigres living in North America and Australia. The country of South Vietnam ceased to exist in 1975 and the flag is not recognized by any countries of the world, and is displayed only by a number of private citizens. 323 viewsView 5 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Steven L. Gaudry Steven L. Gaudry , studied Combat PTSD at U.S. Coast Guard (1969) Answered Sep 23, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? For the same reason that the Confederate “Rebel” flag was ever popular for 150 years after they lost, too. 402 viewsView 4 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Quôc Trân Pham Quôc Trân Pham , studied at Ecole Normale Supérieure De Cachan Answered Aug 18, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? The diaspora in Western countries are mostly made up of people who left VN as political refugees. In the USA, those who fly the SVN are either: People and their descendants who left VN in 1975 with the help of the US administration. People who were admitted to the USA from the refugee camps in HK, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippines. They left Vietnam clandestinely mostly by boat and were boarded by merchant ships crossing them on their way to commercial harbours. People and their descendants who underwent imprisonment in Vietnam because they were workers in the South Vietnamese administration, they served in a US admin or organisation, they got granted access to the USA under the Ordered Departure Program. You understand why those are flying the SVN flag and not the current Vietnamese flag. The immigrants who settled in the US recently with workers visa, marriage or green card against investments …are loyal to the communist flag. 797 viewsView 4 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · September 23, 2019 Anti-communism in Anamite style of people,who in all life were snuggle on the skirt of foreign invaders against their country. Profile photo for Quôc Trân Pham Quôc Trân Pham · September 23, 2019 And how about the Annamite communists who sealed a pact with the ancestral enemy to massacre their countrymen ?!!!! Profile photo for Robert Flynn Robert Flynn , Texas writer who was an embed with Golf Company, 2nd Battalion Fifth Marines in Answered Aug 10, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? For the same reason some southerners fly the battle flag of the Army of Virginia. They resist the idea that Vietnam may never be the way they remember it. 105 viewsView 4 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Sam Eaton Sam Eaton · September 7, 2019 I believe that mourning over a beloved lifestyle that can no longer exist is a better answer. As a Texan I get a double dose of that, As someone who evacuated Saigon along with his wife and children and I have been affected at least 3 times Profile photo for Robert Flynn Robert Flynn · September 9, 2019 Thank you for your comment. In 1989, I stayed at the Rex Hotel that had been the location of the Joint US Public Affairs Office (JUSPAO). Many US officers who worked in Saigon stayed there. The hotel still had the name Rex and its notepads still were marked Rex Hotel. I brought back several pads for… (more) Profile photo for Sam Eaton Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · September 23, 2019 That's why their are despised
Profile photo for Paul Richter Paul Richter , traveled by bicycle from Hanoi to Saigon in 1997 Answered Jul 4, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? Most Vietnamese-Americans today are, or are descended from, refugees from South Vietnam around the time of its defeat to North Vietnam in 1975. They consider the current government of Vietnam (the Socialist Republic of Vietnam) and its flag to be illegitimate, and the old South Vietnam flag to represent the “real” country of Vietnam.
In official capacities, such as those of the U.S. government, the government and flag of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam are recognized.
513 viewsView 4 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Joseph Wang Joseph Wang , Chief Scientist, Bitquant Research Answered Mar 5, 2014 For the same reason that I like flying the Republic of China flag, and southerners like flying the Confederate flag. It's a really painful thing to be on the losing side of a civil war, and being able to fly the old flag is a minor thing that you can do to prove that you weren't completely beaten. It's a funny thing to be in the southern United States and be a member of the "civil war losers" club. 751 viewsView 15 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Joseph Boyle Joseph Boyle · March 5, 2014 Can't wait to see them on bikinis. Profile photo for Ha Pham Ha Pham , lives in Hanoi, Vietnam Answered Jun 9, 2020 A2A Why not? United States is a liberal country, you can wave any kind of flag you want unless those flag(s) breach American laws. As far as I know, no flag is forbidden in US, except the Fascist symbol, am I wrong? Not only US, you can wave the “Yellow Flag” (national flag of former Republic of Vietnam) in many liberal countries like: Canada
Australia Germany However, as my idea, the name “Heritage and Freedom Flag” should not be used because the Republic of Vietnam does not exist anymore as it had completed its historical role. I myself has no opposition with the Yellow Flag, but if I could vote … (more) Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Tony Nguyen Tony Nguyen , knows German Answered Feb 26, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? It is their form of protest and the statement of not recognizing the vietnamese government as it is now. Also of course a way of showing that they identify themselves with the values of the former South Vietnam regime. I also feel that many of the younger generations just follow their parents and grandparents ideals and hate without thinking too much about it. It’s like they think it is part of beeing a second (or third) generation overseas South Vietnamese war refugee, they have to wave the former South Vietnamese flag and discredit the current vietnamese government. 1.1K viewsView 7 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Tony Nguyen Tony Nguyen · August 29, 2019 I never said it doesn’t or it does represent oppression or not . I only gave a (in my opinion) neutral explanation why I think they use the yellow flag with 3 red stripes. And yes, I did include a remark about the younger generations… but without even expressing my sympathy for the current vietnamese government, nor did I condemn it. Profile photo for Jennifer Phan Jennifer Phan · February 26, 2019 Would you feel comfortable flying the flag of a government that killed your family members, took away your property, land, homes, requiring you to flee for your life, escaping by boat not knowing where you are going, witnessing your own people dying on route at sea, then having to start all over again in a new country where you face discrimination, poverty etc…? Please have more sensitivity towards the people who share your ancestral land and go back farther than your existence before you spew such talk assuming that us first, second or third gens don't know about the history of the Vietnam War. There is an entire population of Vietnamese people worldwide who still remember their homeland, their roots, their childhood pre-war. We have black and white photographs of our relatives in Vietnam and France from the 1950’s. I'm the offspring of one of them and I still witness the PTSD that affects all those affected by the war. So please, show a little respect to others just like our traditional Vietnamese culture instilled in us, it's called humanity. Profile photo for Huu Duy Vu (Hữu Duy Vũ) Huu Duy Vu (Hữu Duy Vũ) · May 20, 2019 So do I when talking about South crimes on Vietnamese people and my own family, Jennifer Phan. Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · August 21, 2019 The current flags of Vietnam bought misery to the Vietnamese people, both North and South. That flag and what it represented kill millions of our people. It represent oppression instead of freedom. Profile photo for Hiếu Hà Trung Hiếu Hà Trung , studied at FPT University Answered Sep 13, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Cause they are loser that won’t accept the cold hard fact that the vietnamese people have rejected their failed state as merely a puppet of a foreign power to imposes its will upon the vietnamese people. 558 viewsView 6 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng , studied at Hanoi University of Science and Technology (1976) Updated Jun 12, 2021 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? The cowardice and comicality of French and American minions who fight against Vietnam's unified independence has no limits.Under this "flag of freedom", the French henchmen fought against those who demanded independence for Vietnam, and under this "freedom" flag they were against those who demand unification for the country of Vietnam, against the majority of Vietnamese people who wanted to be unified by election under the Geneva Agreement.
This flag is a symbol of humiliating collaboration with foreign invaders.
131 viewsView 3 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Shaun Darragh Shaun Darragh , worked at U.S. Department of Defense (1990-2007) Answered Aug 10, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? For the same reasons that Irish-Americans wear green clothing or items on St. Patrick’s Day, and some Mexican-Americans fly Mexican flags on the 5th of May, and Greek-Americans fly the Greek and US flags in their communities, etc, etc… 81 viewsView 2 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Tyler Nguyen Tyler Nguyen , Marketing Executive Answered Jul 4, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? Hello my name is Tyler, I was born and currently living in Vietnam. After the war, Vietnamese from South Vietnam (mostly soldiers and government staff) weren’t very happy about the Communist government (North Vietnam) and moved to the USA. They keep their flag which is yellow with 3 little red stripes until now. Cheers 354 viewsView 2 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Loc Hoang Loc Hoang · July 4, 2019 Tyler, You said that after the war Vietnamese from South Vietnam were not very happy about the communist government and moved to the USA. What about the current Vietnamese population? Are they happy with the communist government or do they want multi-party democracy? Profile photo for Tyler Nguyen Tyler Nguyen · July 6, 2019 In general, we are happy with our life.
Some people are lazy, they want to do less and get more, they want privileges, they blame the government for their laziness, etc. That kind of people exists everywhere. Multi-party is great in developed countries, it really is, like a 5-star hotel. But the main problem is the people. If multi-party applied in Vietnam, it will be like a monkey living in a 5-star hotel, it won’t make a monkey become a gentleman. Maybe in the future we will want it when we have more understanding and education, but not now. Let me tell you this. Happy Vietnamese, we are busy with our own businesses, we hang out after work and we have a good 8-hrs sleep at night, we have a short vacation every few months. We’re not that poor.
Only suckers spent their time complaining on the internet.
Loc Hoang Tyler, Profile photo for Ryan Doan Nguyen Ryan Doan Nguyen , Front Desk Receptionist at Massage Envy Spa Answered Jan 29, 2019 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Many, many Vietnamese (overseas) find the current star flag (that represents communism and the government that behind it) offensive and actually painful in many cases. This is because the Vietnamese population overseas is comprised largely of refugees and the children of refugees who see it as a symbol of the violent government they sacrificed everything to escape from. A simple google search of "South Vietnamese flag" will explain why using that flag instead of the star one is so important to Vietnamese people all over the world. My parents are Vietnamese refugees (boat people) who’ve endured many hardships and lost many loved ones due to escaping the current Vietnam flag and what it stands for, so seeing the star flag shown all the time by people who aren't knowledgeable on the subject can evoke terrible memories and hurt them tremendously. This is why the three-striped flag of South Vietnam is still used everywhere else in the world instead of the star flag at festivals, temples, shops, restaurants, etc. It represents deep cultural history instead of war, violence, and persecution like the star flag for Vietnamese refugees who've overcome so much in fleeing that all.
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Profile photo for Xavier Daneil Xavier Daneil , Flags are pretty cool. Answered May 13, 2017 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Well, the effects of that war are still going on. That’s like someone mourning a lost family member, many years after a war.
Some people refuse to flay a flag that represents a traumatic experience.
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Profile photo for Nguyễn Tấn Thái Nguyễn Tấn Thái , studied at Gymnázium Ostrava-Zábřeh, Volgogradská 6a Answered May 4, 2017 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? I agree with Le’s answer but in addition, it isn’t only overseas Vietnamese who do such boycotts of Vietnamese current flag. Remember, not all Vietnamese could escape after the war and it would be quite bothersome to wave the flag of South Vietnam infront of policemen. So they use these:
These are Vietnamese festival flags used during, you guessed it, festivals. You can definitely find rebelious people doing otherwise as mentioned before but in case of “more silent” case, this is the way to go.
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Profile photo for Thang Luu Thang Luu · May 14, 2017 Don’t mistake a religion festival with a political rally. Noone raise eyebrows when a religion festival doesn’t hang red flag, but they will in a political meeting.
Profile photo for Nguyễn Tấn Thái Nguyễn Tấn Thái · May 15, 2017 I do not. I am quite sure that I didn't. Me and my father were watching TV news where angry mob was attacking police, because they were unsatisfied with some gov’ts regulations - it was in some rural area. At least this is what we've heard.
Thang Luu People never sastify with their government. They protest all the time in US, Finland (where I live), Germany… But whenever the yellow flag was raised, it always ended badly for the protesters. Not even their problem didn’t solve, their “supporters” would dissapear soon after and left them deal with the government’s punishment. Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · December 13, 2019 It is not true,that all of Vietnamese oversea are collaborators of foreign invaders!
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen , former QA& Reliability engineer Updated Jun 9, 2020 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? They don't like the current Vietnam flag because it was the copy of early Chinese Liberation Army. Note Ho Chi Minh was a military member of this army under the name Hu Guang with the rank of major.
Chinese propaganda poster, Mao Zedong at the Conference of Gutian...
498 viewsView 1 upvote Adding comments disabled Profile photo for Tuấn Vu Tuấn Vu · August 5, 2020 the myth about Hu guang is like the Thanh Do pact. and the flag of chinese liberation army was made in 1949, Vietnam flag was made in 1945, based on Soviet/Communist flag, the SVN flag was made during colonial rule Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 5, 2020 FYI Who was really the true author of Diary in the Prison / Ngục Trung Nhật Ký 獄中日記 ? The real author was a Chinese Kuomintang military official who was accused being a spy for Japanese army. He defended his innocence by showing his close relationship with his former headmaster Chiang Kai Shek /Tưởng giới Thạch (Tưởng trung Chính ), his comrade General Liang Huasheng / Lương hoa Thịnh and his spirit to fight against Japanese invaders through his poems even in the prison cell. He showed he was a cadet at Whoampo Military Academy under Chiang Kai Shek as the headmaster, along with his classmate Liang huasheng/ Lương hoa Thịnh. Please read the poem : 讀蔣公訓詞 / Độc Tưởng Công huấn từ / Reread the graduation speech of Honorable Mr Chiang. He was angry being arrested during the National Holiday celebrating the birth of Republic of China 10/10 雙十 Song thập. He proved that he dedicated his life for motherland China, his beloved country. Please read 到弟四戰區政治部 / Đáo Đệ Tứ chiến khu chính trị bộ / Come to the 4th war area of Political section. He showed the administrative knowledge about managing a district or a region in China under Kuomintang party.
Through the Chinese newspapers that reported China news: In the " 越有騷動 / Việt hữu tao động / The Yue region has fighting ", many thought the term 越 Yue Việt in the diary was used for Vietnam of Indochina but actually the author was talking about Zhejiang / Chiết Giang (浙江). See also the term Việt in Hán Việt tự điển trích dẫn. This was the place where it had a fighting between Chinese Nationalist army and Japanese invaders. The author wanted to go to this battlefield: 上戰場 / thướng chiến trường. The author showed exactly where was the fighting. In another poem talking about his major sickness, he was comparing his hot and cold sickness as the fighting between Wu vs Yue / Ngô vs Việt, but some Vietnamese thought he was talking about Vietnam of Indochina. The term " 越地舊山河 / Việt địa cựu sơn hà" is the term of old Yue territory in current China. That was the old country of Goujian /Việt Vương Câu Tiễn.
Yue (state) - Wikipedia (Yue (state) - Wikipedia)
This is the military life of General Liang Huasheng / Lương Hoa Thịnh, (Republic of China / Trung Hoa Dân quốc) according to Western records. In one of the poems, the author of Prison Diary considered this General as a Kuomintang comrade / đồng chí Trung Hoa Quốc Dân Đảng. Since 1935, General Liang had the records eradicating communist rebels in Nanchang, Kunming and other places.
Biography of Lieutenant-General Liang Huasheng (Biography of Lieutenant-General Liang Huasheng)
1940-XX-XX Chief of the Political Section, 4th War Area
1943-XX-XX Deputy Commander in Chief 11th Army Group
Memorabilia of General Liang Huasheng http://www.krzzjn.com/html/85419.html
黄埔校长蒋中正赠与学生梁华盛将军的领袖玉照 / Hoàng phố giáo trưởng Tưởng trung Chính tặng dữ học sinh Lương hoa Thịnh tướng quân đích lãnh tụ ngọc chiếu
Biography of General Liang Huasheng in Chinese https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E6%A2%81%E5%8D%8E%E7%9B%9B
In 1943, he left the 4th war area to take the deputy commander of 11th army group.
Bài thơ: Lương Hoa Thịnh tướng quân thăng nhậm phó tư lệnh - 梁華晟將軍升任副司令 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Lương Hoa Thịnh tướng quân thăng nhậm phó tư lệnh - 梁華晟將軍升任副司令 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Bài thơ: Tặng Tiểu Hầu (Hải) - 贈小候（海） (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Tặng Tiểu Hầu (Hải) - 贈小候（海） (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Bài thơ: Độc Tưởng công huấn từ - 讀蔣公訓詞 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Độc Tưởng công huấn từ - 讀蔣公訓詞 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Bài thơ: Mông ưu đãi - 蒙優待 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Mông ưu đãi - 蒙優待 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Bài thơ: Đáo Đệ tứ chiến khu Chính trị bộ - 到弟四戰區政治部 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Đáo Đệ tứ chiến khu Chính trị bộ - 到弟四戰區政治部 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
試問余所犯何罪，罪在為民族盡忠 / Thí vấn dư sở phạm hà tội, Tội tại vị dân tộc tận trung!
Bài thơ: Khán “Thiên gia thi” hữu cảm - 看千家詩有感 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Khán “Thiên gia thi” hữu cảm - 看千家詩有感 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Chinese Literature (Chinese Literature) : "The Qianjiashi has always been used as a textbook for elementary learning. "
Profile photo for Tuấn Vu Tuấn Vu · August 5, 2020 copy paste but irrelevant to my reply, well i will still take the bait. It is quite full of irrelevant pieces of knowledge sewn together. I translated his bio but I could not find any detail about his arrest, and if he was a deputy, a general, how could he be arrested for being suspected as spy? ano… (more)
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 5, 2020 This is my research that so far nobody find out similar information. I am the original and the first person posted this information a few times on Quora and other websites to inform people about identity of the author. Definitely, the author was a Chinese citizen and definitely he was a Chinese Kuom… (more)
Profile photo for Tuấn Vu Tuấn Vu · August 5, 2020 so you mean Nguyen Ai Quoc-Ho Chi Minh came to China in 1938 and tried to do revolutionary work aiming to free Indochina from the French under the name Hu Guang? good to know
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 5, 2020 Back to the question “who was the real author of Diary in the Prison / 獄中日記 ?
What is your opinion ? Are you still be sure Ho was the author of that diary ?
上忠黨國下忠民 / Thượng trung Đảng Quốc hạ trung Dân. The author was honoring Kuomintang of China . See (Bài thơ: Tặng Tiểu Hầu (Hải) - 贈小候（海） (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
試問余所犯何罪，罪在為民族盡忠 / Thí vấn dư sở phạm hà tội, Tội tại vị dân tộc tận trung! Which country and people that you think the author dedicated to, China or Vietnam ? See Bài thơ: Đáo Đệ tứ chiến khu Chính trị bộ - 到弟四戰區政治部 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
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Profile photo for Tuấn Vu Tuấn Vu · August 5, 2020 well, thanks to you detail article, now i am sure that Ho Chi Minh is the author, dont worry, the first half is sarcastic. Seriously, you led me from the flag and Hu Guang to Nguc trung nhat ki and a general that was rumored to be jailed suspected as a japanese spy, back to Hu guang again, then throw me a link about pictures in a site that Mao organized his gathering.
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 5, 2020 Sarcastically, as you said !!!
So this author sacrastically claimed attending Whoampo military academy, sacrastically honored the promotion of a Kuomintang General, sacrastically complained another Kuomintang General of money laundery, sacrastically taught another Kuomintang General must honor the Kuomintang (party), sacrastically wanted to go to Zhejiang (Yue region has the fighting/Việt hữu tao động) to fight against Japanese 上戰場 / thướng chiến trường, sacrastically wrote legal papers to help other inmates (bạn tù) that he knew reducing their criminal sentencing, sacrastically reminded Chinese people to alert and ready to fight back against Japanese.
中華抗戰將六載，烈烈轟轟舉世知。
勝利雖然有把握，仍須努力反攻時
Trung Hoa kháng chiến tương lục tải, Liệt liệt oanh oanh cử thế tri; Thắng lợi tuy nhiên hữu bả ác, Nhưng tu nỗ lực phản công thì.
In addition, nobody even Ho chi Minh in Vietnam knew and explained the term (辜臣孽子義 當然 /Cô thần nghiệt tử nghĩa đương nhiên ) that Chiang Kaishek describe himself in graduation speech. See the poem : 讀蔣公訓詞 / Độc Tưởng Công huấn từ. Now, we know his father died when he was at 8 years old that matched with his statement. Just search the text at thivien website, to know why some poems were incorrectly translated.
Profile photo for Hugh Nguyen Hugh Nguyen , lived in Vietnam (1988-2015) Answered Jul 4, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? Let me put it in this way, Several years ago Vietnam was divided into South Vietnam and North Vietnam which is similar to Korea today. And each part has different flag
The North follow communism so the US helped (whatever it was called) the South to fight against the North
But the South lost the war. Its people went to the US as political refugees and many other forms of immigrations. They hate the communists so bad, and they decide to keep its flag and think that they can revenge someday. Please correct me if there is something not true but this can give the questioners a picture of what had happened.
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Profile photo for Loc Hoang Loc Hoang · July 4, 2019 Hugh, do you not hate the current communist government in Vietnam even when they themselves admit that corruption is a national calamity? Even the most senior communist officials publicly admitted that corruption by government officials have eroded public trust and confidence in the communist party. And you still support such a corrupt government? The overseas Vietnamese community around the world, not just in the USA, is not interested in revenge as you claimed. They want Vietnam to become a democracy with separation of powers and rule of law like all Western countries. Why would you not want that for your own children and grandchildren? Why would you not want that for your own country? Why would you not want an independent and impartial judiciary completely separate from the executive for your children and grandchildren? Profile photo for Tim Ngo Tim Ngo , studied Finance at University of New Mexico Answered Aug 14, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Most oversea Vietnamese are anti-communist so they rejected it. The hatred will be passed from father to son. Simple, the later generations they might used the yellow flag if they care about politic. 203 views Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Bryan Quach Bryan Quach , lives in New York City (1980-present) Answered Jul 6, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? One word: freedom. Freedom from oppression, which socialism or communism is. 26 viewsView 2 upvotesAnswer requested by Martina Ondrasekova Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Gerald Cline Gerald Cline , former Vietnam Veteran (Medic USAF) (1968-1974) Answered Jul 6, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? The refugees who fled Vietnam in the aftermath of the Vietnam War are loyal to the South Vietnamese regime that was overthrown, not the North Vietnamese conquerors who forced them to flee. 186 viewsView 1 upvote Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for David Albert David Albert , former US Vietnam Combat Vet•1970-71/Ret. Mech. Eng. 2015 at Wirtz Manufacturing Company (1973-2015) Answered Nov 10 Join the Quora+ community to view this answer Millions more answers like this Ad‑free browsing Quora+ profile badge 49 views Answers that need improvement Profile photo for Jacques Văn Khải Jacques Văn Khải , Vietnamese by blood, Vietnamese by thought Answered May 4, 2017 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? I would rather say “sawadee cap” to you, however, since most Thais know nothing on Vietnam War and, of course, a lot of Thais are being “brainwashed” by communist Vietnamese propaganda, I will explain: The colours are said to stand for nation-religion-king, an unofficial motto of Thailand,[1] red for the land and people, white for religions and blue for the monarchy, the last having been the auspicious colour of Rama VI. As the king declared war on Germany that July, some note the flag now bore the same colours as those of Britain, France, Russia and the United States.[2] So many people in Thailand are still proud of this flag. Why? Because the flag represents the Thai glory, the Royalty, the beautiful of Thailand and its tolerance. On the other side, for any Thais, if they look on this Costa Rica’s reversed version, they will always feel proud to chant “Thai”. Meanwhile, what about South Vietnam flag?
Here: The flag consists of a yellow field and three horizontal red stripes and can be explained as either symbolising the unifying blood running through northern, central, and southern Vietnam, or as representing the symbol for "south" (as in, south from China (Viet Nam itself) and also nam meaning south), in Daoist trigrams.
This flag is also representing the unification of all Vietnamese regardless of religion. We should have to use this flag. It was designed during Nguyen Dynasty and it has always been a symbol since.
But hell? We are now being under bunch of communist s*ts using communist Vietnam flag with yellow star in front of red flag. This makes Vietnam feel like tiny part of China, despite we are not one of them.
So yeah? We are proud to use South Vietnam flag. It should have been Vietnam flag! IT SHOULD! Because it belongs to real Vietnam, not like bunch of fools in Hanoi regime.
So I suggest you that please try to raise communist Vietnam’s flag in America and Europe and see what happen.
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Jamie Daniels and more Profile photo for Sam Eaton Sam Eaton , lives in Vietnam Updated Dec 13, 2017 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? In Southern America, one can still see the Confederate flag flying from time to time. That War ended over 150 years ago. Why should the Vietnamese be any different about showing respect to those who fought and died fighting in a war for independence that they lost. 1 comment from Thang Luu Profile photo for Nick Yandell Nick Yandell , Teacher, Media and English at Damascus College (2017-present) Answered Feb 25, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? For many of the overseas Vietnamese, their grandparents, parents or other relatives fought and died under that flag. It would be very difficult to give it up. 526 viewsView 7 upvotesAnswer doesn't directly answer the question Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Bao D Nguyen Bao D Nguyen , studied at University of California, Los Angeles Answered Mar 5, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? The overseas Vietnamese (Viet Kieu to Vietnamese) are ignorant of their own history.
The yellow flag of Catholic dictatorship never represented democracy, nor human rights, nor a UN recognized country. What it did represent was a regime started by the infamous virgin dictator, Ngo Dinh Diem:
This guy even makes dictators look bad. Look at that white suit! Is he in the navy?!
Thankfully, he and his brother were assassinated by a south Vietnamese officer in a US backed coup.
His successors were military juntas lead by incompetent officers backed by the US.
Among those officers were Duong Van Minh, a general the US thought was sympathetic to the communists. In the end, it was he who stayed to honorably meet the Vietnamese victors. He was also credited for killing Ngo Dinh Diem and Ngo Dinh Nhu.
Nguyên Khanh, a loony general who staged a few coups and was ultimately allowed to leave his role with his life. He was sent into exile to the US.
Nguyên Van Thieu, a caricature of a dictator. He was hated by all, including his sponsors. He did not even have the confidence of his men, who deserted him en-masse. In the end, he deserted his Presidency and flew to Taiwan with 16 tons of gold, leaving Duong Van Minh to receive the Vietnamese rebellion. Thieu loved the yellow metal more than the yellow flag. The Taiwanese kept the gold, and he ended up in France. The US refused him admittance. And Vietnam did not allow him to come home to attend his mothers funeral. A true traitor to all. He was partially credited with the killing of Ngo Dinh Diem and Ngo Dinh Nhu.
And then there was the most famous of them all, General Nguyên Cao Ky. This guy was a charming playboy who wooed the prettiest girl in town and was famous for his style. In the US, he wrote a couple of books, including Buddha’s Child, My Fight to Save Vietnam, in which he expresses that perhaps he had fought on the wrong side.
In the end, Nguyên Cao Ky was embraced with open arms by Communists when he returned tearfully to the country he once betrayed. He was also hated by the old soldiers who now looked like a bunch of fools because their leader loves the red flag of Vietnam.
Nguyên Cao Ky’s daughter is a beautiful and famous host for Paris By Night, a popular music entertainment show watched by all overseas Vietnamese. Nguyên Cao Ky’s ex-wife, the once beautiful Dang Tuyet Mai, opened a pho restaurant in Vietnam. (It’s my favorite pho restaurant. Though I have to admit I have a warm place in my heart for her.) She has sadly passed away in Vietnam in 2016.
The lowly masses who worship the yellow flag don’t realize they worship at the altar of tears and heartbreak. And I think one day soon it will become clear to even them that nothing good came from that flag, despite what the bitter old men think.
Bao D Nguyen , studied at University of California, Los Angeles Answered Mar 10, 2018 They believe it stands for this.
They won’t face that it stands for this.
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Louis Nguyen , studied at University of California, Los Angeles Answered Mar 17, 2018
It shows that the Commie may have won the war, but not the mind of the people. We decided to make it a symbol of our heritage to teach our younger generations what it stands for and the struggle plus hardship under which their forefathers had to face to get here in the first place. Profile photo for Thi Nguyen
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Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Just ask some “white supremacist” Americans why they wave Confederate flag instead of United States’? Then you will earn answers contain “it represents our lost souls, lost culture”. Same thing happens in Germany but officially illegal if you favor “Nazi swastika” - some Neo Nazis see German soil became smaller and smaller after two World Wars, and flood of immigrants from Middle East is killing “German blood” by “spreading toxic Islam and produce new generations like rat” etc. Those all include “yellow flag with 3 red stripes” as losers, but have you the OP ever asked yourself why there are winning side and vice versa? Or how one could win when another lost? Then you have this: Confederate States was built around White slave-owners and non-White slave relationship which White were supported and protected by regime. Nazi Germany was where German ultranationalists shake hands in order to create a “pure blood nation based on Aryan race” and all non-Aryan like Slavs especially Jews - a minor ethnicity but smart, clever and believed controlling European economies must be killed. Since the beginning, these just represent minor groups in society about ideologies and benefits, and their way of thinking are extreme, and this made their collapse when United States or Allies attacked - native people support “foreign” forces not because they are “good” but better than what they are living under. The same can be said for South Vietnam, and even worse on some fields.
To understand origins of North and South (Vietnam) regimes, we should go back far to the past of Vietnamese history.
Here is map of “Trinh-Nguyen divison” in 1650. As you can see, Vietnam that time was mainly divided into 2 parts: Trinh and Nguyen lords. Through times, both were slowly corrupted over generations of lords - typical problem for Chinese-based model of Confucian centrally absolute monarchy model where a clan holds whole country political powers and pass it on descendants inside the clan without question. In South, Truong Phuc Loan, a high-title bureaucrat was gaining control and made 9th generation of Nguyen lord a puppet. Then, Tay Son rebellion started by 3 peasant brothers and use peasant forces mainly, first aiming overthrow Truong, but then took advantage when Nguyen lord’s power became too weak to erase this regime. Didn’t stop, they moved Northward, do same thing to Trinh lord and officially reunited entire nation. But Nguyen Anh, a survived prince of Nguyen clan fled to Siam, called Siam (Thailand feudal name) king for help against Tay Son. Nguyen Hue, one of three Tay Son founders defeated Siam, succeed protecting Vietnamese Southern soil from them, then continued winning Chinese Qing dynasty at its peak. Guess what Anh did here? Supports Qing by shipping rice on a fleet! Fortunately, a typhoon destroyed it before reached North. Then, Hue died soon, his son was too young to understand politics and Anh this time took advantage, erased Tay Son, established Nguyen dynasty.
Okay, you will feel it doesn’t relate to the topic at all. But wait, because this Nguyen was the one who surrendered French colonialists step-by-step, made Vietnam a French colony for nealy 100 years from 1858 to 1954. French ruled us by “stupidity to conquer” and “divide to conquer” policies, with aftermathes are over 2 of 23 million Vietnamese people died by a great famine in 1945 due to “buying rice by gun and little money” plus “change rice fields into jute” (Japanese empire after conquered French Indochina maximized these). Society was full of social evils: alcoholic, drug addiction, gambling, prostitution, thieving, robbing etc. 95 percent of whole population were illiterate. Distinction and division between major ethnicity and minor ethnic groups, between Northern, Central and Southern regions, between mountainous, rural, coastal and urban areas be grown like French will. They imported minerals from Vietnam by a very cheap price which nothing different from a robber several decades, forced hundreds thousands Vietnamese people going to France to fight and die in their World Wars. They earned very great profits from adding heavy taxes on Vietnamese shoulders, from tax of existence or “thuế thân” which every native people must pay for their lives since the time they were born until death to taxes on necessary products for daily life like rice and salt. They encouraged gambling, prostituting, using drugs so they can earn much more taxes from these activities. They forced all village buying French-produced wine only, from infants to pregnant women and elders, all must drink litres of alcohol per capita weekly and ban all self-producing wines - a Vietnamese tradition. And Nguyen dynasty now became puppet just watch.
In 1930, Communist Party of Vietnam (VCP) was born. It led peasant movements against French rules but failed. Then, Japanese Empire entered French Indochina, created “Empire of Vietnam” regime - another puppet but loyal to them and mostly made of Nguyen royal and its bureaucrats who accepted same role under French control like I described. In 1945, America nuked Japan by 2 nuclear bombs, forced it surrender. De Gaulle 4th French Republic was still weak after World War 2, so it couldn’t come back to all its colonies immediately. Realize the chance, VCP opened August Revolution, overthrew Empire of Vietnam and estaished “Democratic Republic of Vietnam” or North Vietnam years after. But French didn’t want to lose Indochina so they invaded Vietnam, forced DRV fight back. The more French fight, the more they stuck in mud - budget for military rises too high but mainland France was still poor that made French people angry when government spends so much money for a colony far away instead of recovering homeland. United States led by Truman whom distrusted communism so high stepped in, funded 80 percent for French military in Indochina and forced them creating “State of Vietnam” - another puppet as a continuation of Nguyen dynasty. In 1954, DRV finally won in Dien Bien Phu battle, forced French withdrew. Geneva Accord was signed, it wrote by 17th parallel, a provisional Demilitarized Zone where Vietnamese forces move northward and French move to the south then withdraw, two regimes: DRV and State of Vietnam will control Northern and Southern parts until a nationalwide election to elect a single regime be done, maximum after 2 years from the day it was signed. Afraid of ceasing to exist, “State of Vietnam” changed its name into “Republic of Vietnam” (RVN) and found a new master, America in 1956, rejected election and waged domestic war against pro-DRV forces who want reunification. From beginning to the end, it represents minor Christians and Hoa-“Chinese-origins ethnicity” benefits who linked theirs solidly to French through colonization and sided with them against all nationalism movements aim gaining independence back for Vietnam long before VCP was born. The funny here is, they claim themselves “successor of Vietnamese elite culture since Nguyen dynasty” when Christians helped French winning Nguyen proactively a century ago. And Nguyen itself respresented Vietnamese culture and traditions no more since the moment it surrendered invaders.
Let’s compare a little bit. Tay Son and VCP are both began from peasants in a country where peasant always make over 90 percent of national population until end of 20th century; Tay Son and VCP are both reunited country after divided periods; Tay Son and VCP both led people winning foreign invaders: Qing, Siam, French, American, PRC, Khmer Rouge. When in another side, Nguyen and SVN (South Vietnam) are supported by minor elites (Chinese-origins landlords favored Nguyen) not major poor people; both begged foreigners for help against its rivals but also Vietnamese; and both worshipped foreign forces (Nguyen begged Qing to help against French, follow a invaders to fight another). In Vietnamese history, the one who protects national culture and traditions is the one who fight foreigners to keep independence first.
Tay Son flag.
DRV flag.
Vietnamese current flag. Who say “it is pure communism and doesn’t look traditional at all”?
Nguyen dynasty’s flag (before French colonization).
Nguyen dynasty’s flag, French colonization.
Empire of Vietnam’s flag.
State of Vietnam and RVN flag.
Yeah, so “traditional”.
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China/Chinese destroy everything about Viet people, even their own history. The only thing they can’t destroy is our language, folklore stories and genes, culture.
Sadly, Vietcong do whatever Chinese want... selling land, destroy historical evìdent of our ancestors...
link:
Những thành phần tinh hoa, các phần tử ưu tú của nước Việt đã chạy ra khỏi đất nước từ năm 1975.
https://youtu.be/yGDJJe-_Lok
Câu chuyện của tôi và lá Cờ Vàng
Ngày quốc khánh Úc, ngẫm về đời người Việt hải ngoại: chúng ta là nạn nhân của cộng sản/Việt cộng?
https://youtu.be/c2V_n6TAx4M
Vì sao cộng sản lại sợ cờ vàng?
https://youtu.be/5Eje9ytnQpQ
Cờ vàng VNCH khiến CSVN một phen khiếp vía khi xuất hiện trong trận Úc - Việt Nam
https://youtu.be/dcY9sNnHJK4
Lịch Sử Lá Cờ Dân Tộc Nguồn Gốc Ý nghĩa là Lịch sử qua nhiều giai đoạn...
https://youtu.be/1JsNjq36S0E
Mồng 2 Tết Nhâm Dần.
Việt cộng ngấm ngầm lấn sân, len lỏi, chơi chữ để đánh tráo "cộng đồng người Việt" nếu chúng ta vui Tết và thiếu cảnh giác.
https://youtu.be/YTSpQu9AY6o
Cờ Vàng sẽ không còn độc tôn ở Úc vào tháng 7/2023. Cờ Máu lên và CĐNVTD hết?
https://youtu.be/hZWDuyo1nWs
Why do Vietnamese Americans continue to use the Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag?
Các em bé vườn trẻ, lớp mẫu giáo cùng cô giáo đứng trước Bia căm thù Mỹ Ngụy
Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ?
For the same reason that the Confederate “Rebel” flag was ever popular for 150 years after they lost, too.
cờ đỏ sao vàng phất phới bay ở tỉnh Phúc Kiến Trung Cộng Mừng ông Mao
https://youtu.be/aF27JxR9zDg
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Vietnamese-Americans-continue-to-use-the-Vietnamese-Heritage-and-Freedom-Flag
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Updated Jun 12, 2020 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Below is the flag of the country I was born in and this is the flag of the country my father fought for even though this country no longer exists, the flag my uncle “died” for when his plane went down in a battle, an uncle whose big brother, my father, still insists (hopes) is “MIA” 43 years later since no remains were ever recovered from the wreckage. We DO accept that the current flag represents the current government of the country of Vietnam in its current state. We fought that government and left that state, not once but twice. My family fled south and lost everything in the land reform of the 50’s, and we did it all over again two decades later, this time fleeing across an ocean. The fact is that the current flag is thoroughly foreign to us and doesn't represent us. It's linked indelibly to a profound sense of loss, betrayal, aggression, and trauma from our perspective.
By the same token, I was born in the city of Saigon. That city no longer exists, since shortly after my birth, but I don't tell people I was born in Ho Chi Minh City because the fact is that I wasn't. HCMC did not exist when I was born. My birth certificate and my U.S. passport still read born in Saigon. It's the same concept with the current flag. I accept HCMC and the current flag for what they are to Vietnam today, but I don't accept them as part of my identity as an ethnic Vietnamese.
The question essentially asks why someone like me wouldn't use, accept, or embrace the current flag of Vietnam. I have a better question. Why would I?
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Profile photo for Thuong Tran Thuong Tran · March 10, 2018 While I hold a disparite view from you, I can definitely see where you're coming from. I do not affiliate with the 3 striped flag, but I can see why you would. The land reforms were a terrible and costly mistake.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · March 10, 2018 Thanks, I appreciate that. Some people think it's so black and white.
Profile photo for Jason Tran Jason Tran · August 18, 2018 There is another reason I don't accept the current flag of Vietnam is that it looks similar to the flag of China. By looking these two flags, Vietnam looks like a state of China. Just have a look the flags of UK , Australia and New Zealand, the three flags are almost the same, they all have Union Jack, because Australia and New Zealand are part of British Commonwealth. If the communist Vietnam redesigns the flag that is completely different from the current one, then I could accept it.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Viet Le Hoang Viet Le Hoang · April 4, 2019 The Yellow star red Flag of Vietnam today was found in 1940, 9 years before the Flag of Communist China. In plus, if we follow in the same design’s logic with Aus and NZ’s Flag to the UK, the China must be a part of Vietnam, which makes your comment invalid.
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 8, 2019 Ho was the military member of this early Chinese Liberation Army during late 1920 to mid 1930
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 The 3 striped flag is the flag of Vietnam and not just South Vietnam. It is the flag of our ancestor before our country split in two. The flag represent the three region of Vietnam (North, Central, and South) and the color red is the blood of our people. The color yellow is our skin color. The current Vietnam flag is a province of China as it look similar to China flag. I know this because I am a northerner.
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Profile photo for Huu Duy Vu (Hữu Duy Vũ) Huu Duy Vu (Hữu Duy Vũ) · May 20, 2019 Thuong Tran so does “detect commie, destroy commie” policy under Diem era. Hims even much more brutal than North’s land reform.
Profile photo for Việt Nguyễn Việt Nguyễn · October 9, 2019 How more brutal? North Vietnam’s land reform was responsible for the deaths of 172,000 people, and that came from a report documented by Professor Dang Phong based in Hanoi. The source also said at least 71.66% of the people were wrongly executed. Even Ho Chi Minh publicly admitted that. They were killed because they were land owners. Among the killed was Cat Hanh Long, a revolution supporter. She was known for financially supporting the communist revolution from her own wealth, but she was brutally executed by the communists. Now please give us some numbers on how many people President Diem killed. Or are you going to give us the same myth about Diem dragging his guillotine around beheading civilians? Your propaganda is old man.
Profile photo for Thuận Bá Thuận Bá · April 15, 2019 Yeh. I checked the older images of the Saigon before 1975. It looked like a pretty peaceful (though it probably wasn’t) and beautiful place. My mom said that before 1975, her aunt owned a car. But after that, she had to sell it and bought a motorbike instead (?). HCM City now looks pretty modern, but wish that some of the historic places (like Ba Son) could stay. Of course, having no grudges at the government now (like I’m literally living here anyway).
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 Saigon still look poorer now (a bit more modern) then it did prior to 1975. Saigon was a rich city back then. There is a reason why a song was made about it. It was the Singapore of Southeast Asia.
Profile photo for Tony The Pepperoni Tony The Pepperoni · October 16 The notion of Sai Gon was richer in 1975 was debatable. However one has to wonder at what was the cost, thousands of country folks got displaced, killed or seriously injured per week. Was that really justified for the better life of the city dwellers?
Profile photo for Raymond Greiner Raymond Greiner · March 5, 2018 For many years after 1975 I was careful, especially in Vietnam, to refer to the largest city in Vietnam as Ho Chi Minh City. Then a few years ago when I was living there I took the train from Hanoi back home. I looked at my ticket and saw that the state run railway said I was officially going to “Saigon.” From then on I decided I could use “Saigon” too.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · March 5, 2018 Hmm, when I was in Hanoi the concierge at my hotel noticeably frowned when I said I had been in Saigon recently. There is still a district in HCMC generally understood as Saigon these days, so maybe that's where your train was headed officially?
Profile photo for Raymond Greiner Raymond Greiner · March 7, 2018 Thanks. I’ll look for the reaction I get from strangers when I use the old name. I’m a less than keen observer of such things. :)
Andy Tad Huynh · August 17, 2018 Contrary to some Overseas Viet presumption, using the word Saigon most of the time won’t stir anything up, be it at the South, Central or the North. This may safely be applied to many other used to be sensitive terms as well. At least that’s what I’ve observed after the Doi Moi era from late 90s.
The word Saigon may also mean “the downtown” to the Saigonese themselves which prefers to district 1 and parts of district 3 and 5. I haven’t heard of this term as much as before though, probably since Saigon is expanding fast with many other new little “downtowns” like district 7 and 2.
Dương T. Nguyễn · September 1, 2019 It is because the Station of your destination is officially called “Saigon station”.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Ken Harvey Ken Harvey · May 8, 2021 I had a similar experience. I think most people in Vietnam still think of HCMC as “Saigon". St. Petersburg was called Leningrad for 70 years. I suspect and hope that eventually it will revert back to Saigon. Profile photo for Ralph Nhatrang Ralph Nhatrang · August 1, 2021 Interestingly, when I went to Hanoi in 1996 there was a Hotel Saigon within 300 metres of Hanoi railway station. That was a surprise. It is still there, according to Google Earth. Profile photo for Vincent Le Vincent Le · June 7, 2018 That flag is still in the heart of South Vietnamese people. People in the South Vietnam start using this flag in the protests. Vietnamese youngsters use it for the background of their photos. We also use the term Saigon, not HCM.
Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Andy Tad Huynh Andy Tad Huynh · August 17, 2018 For a few, maybe. As much as do some of us hate the authoritative for all of their issues or even just being a one party totalitarian, it’s generally acceptable to assume the current flag represents the one and unified Vietnam, not necessarily a party’s flag. Most of the people and the press use Saigon and HCMC at the same time, one for informal talks and the other for both informal and formal and documenting purposes.
Profile photo for Vincent Le Vincent Le · August 23, 2018 This communist red flag is the flag of unification? Hahaha. It's the flag of oppression and occupation. We have never wanted this regime in charge. We have never wanted to see these commies. Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · April 13, 2019 I wonder how painful it was for you to see 95 millions people in Vietnam waiving the communist red flag to happily celebrate the victories of the national football team.
Profile photo for Vincent Le Vincent Le · April 14, 2019 Haha. I just laugh my ass off. The local communist cops force us to hang bloody flags on our front doors. Otherwise we will be in trouble with the authority. Do you call that is freedom? My neighbors have fishing boats and they have to hang that stupid flags too. Otherwise cops arrest them and they can’t do any business. Then when those Chinese murderers stealing and murdering our fish men, these dump communist cops can’t be seen.
The pictures shows a bunch of hooligans. Not us.
Dương T. Nguyễn · October 17, 2019 I see that you surrendered. It must be painful to see the national team constantly wins and the red flags are constantly cheered by 90 millions Vietnamese.
Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · April 14, 2019 So the majority of Vietnamese are a bunch of hooligans to you, and you are not among the majority of Vietnamese people? That makes sense. Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 It is tough but I cannot blame them. Vietnam has a very young population, most were born after 1975 so they are not aware. I only support the flag because I support my people. Unlike North Korean and South Korean, I love all Vietnamese people!
Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · May 18, 2020 Aware what? Aware that it was the flag of the winners at Dien Bien Phu, the flag that liberated Vietnam?
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 The South Vietnam flag is only a revision of past flag design. Like how the current U.S flag is a revision of past U.S flag design. As such South Vietnam flag represent Vietnam not just the south, hence the three red stripe. The ambush at Dien Bien Phu didn’t liberate Vietnam, the French were going to leave Vietnam anyway due to WWII.
Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · May 18, 2020 Yeah, like how the Ming was going to leave Vietnam anyway, so the battle of Chi Lang didn’t liberate Vietnam? Or like how the Han was going to leave Vietnam anyway, so the battle of Bach Dang 938 didn’t liberate Vietnam? Btw, do you know where the “three red stripe” flag was at the battle of Dien Bien Phu?
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 Not just Southerner, but Northerner as well. South Vietnam flag is the flag of Vietnam. I’m a northerner, that is the only flag that I accept. Flag of South Vietnam - Wikipedia - This is the flag history. Profile photo for Hai Tran Hai Tran · October 15, 2018 Beautifully worded! Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Phil Allen Phil Allen · March 5, 2018 I’ve always liked this flag.. Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Richard McConnel Richard McConnel · August 23, 2018 Excellent - intelligent discussion….. Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Profile photo for Vo Ba Linh Vo Ba Linh · August 17, 2018 Another interesting thing is that Oversea Vietnamese communities are either named “Little Saigon” if they fled after Saigon fell or “Little Hanoi” if they were from the North and now living in Soviet-bloc countries. Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · August 17, 2018 Yeah I've noticed that too. I rarely come across Northern dialect unless I leave the US. I run into Vietnamese people all the time, so randomly hearing Vietnamese language when I'm out and about is nothing unusual, but once I was in DC and ran into some people speaking with such thick Northern accents, I did a double take and felt certain they had to be international tourists. You just don't hear that in the US. Profile photo for Thanh T Nguyen Thanh T Nguyen · September 23, 2018 According to my understanding, three inside stripes stands for The Sky/ Ch'ien in I Ching triagram. Covered with yellow background stands for The Earth/K'un. The Earth above the Sky is symbolized for Peace. I Ching Online Reading Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · May 18, 2020 No the 3 stripe stand for the three region in Vietnam (North, Central, and South). The color red stand for our blood and the color yellow stand for our skin color. So in essence, we are yellow skin people who fight with our bloods to protect all three region of Vietnam. Profile photo for Dinh Phan Dinh Phan · August 14, 2018 We, Vietnamese American Who fled from current flag of Viet Nam, this flag is belonging to the communist party, not represent for Vietnamese people. This party and Viet Nam government is the one, not elected by Vietnamese people, this VN current flag only represent for 4 million communist party members! not Vietnamese in land or oversea!
Profile photo for Viet Le Hoang Viet Le Hoang · May 21, 2019
The communist party has its own flag tho ( red flag with yellow hammer and sickle), no one in Vietnam with decent mind waves this flag anymore…
So you mean the another 80 mil vietnamese have to embrace the old RVN flag, such a delusion statement. No and never!
Because the yellow flag presents ones who fleed this country 40 years ago, ones who betrayed and gave up, the losers, why we have to accept such a flag of unworthy and failure?
We deserve a better one!
Chris Nguyen
· May 18, 2020
U.S betrayed South Vietnam. With that said I agree with you, the South Vietnam flag to me represent weakness. Vietnam need a new flag altogether. A flag that represent freedom and strength.
Profile photo for Viet Le Hoang Profile photo for Inoue Jerry Inoue Jerry · June 18, 2018 so like you say , the people in south of america should still used they rebel flag lol cause the american flag are not they flag ( they great grand father die fighting for the rebel side vv ) Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · June 24, 2018 No, that's not what I said. The people in the American South currently live in the United States of America and are citizens of that country, not the Confederate States of America, unlike those like me and my family who fled the Republic of Vietnam as it was overrun. The people in the American South pledge allegiance to the Stars and Stripes, the only flag of the United States of America. The Confederacy also stood for and fought for a way of life that brought shame, poverty, misery, and degradation into the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and still has far-reaching consequences to this day. The two situations are not in any way equivalent. Profile photo for John Little Eagle-Freeman John Little Eagle-Freeman · January 18, 2020
I am an American Marine who fought against communism FOR the people in the small villages within The Republic of South Vietnam. Whenever wearing military clothing or regalia, I always chose to wear PROUDLY the colors of the flag of South Vietnam. I am repulsed by the current Communist Flag - it offends me. It also reminds me of the many sacrifices of my brother Marines in that war and the insulting withdrawal by weak-kneed lying politicians that simply turned their backs on the South Vietnamese, and the American Marines, Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen who served to protect the country FROM communist takeover.
I am so angered at my own government for bending to the demands of irresponsible, spoiled “privileged” college radicals and the sub-culture dopers who selfishly protested anything they weren’t able to “toss at will”.
Tôi là một lính thủy Hoa Kỳ đã chiến đấu chống lại chủ nghĩa cộng sản CHO người dân ở những ngôi làng nhỏ ở Cộng hòa miền Nam Việt Nam. Bất cứ khi nào mặc trang phục quân đội hoặc vương giả, tôi luôn chọn mặc TUYỆT VỜI màu cờ của miền Nam Việt Nam. Tôi bị phản đối bởi Cờ Cộng sản hiện tại - nó xúc phạm tôi. Nó cũng làm tôi nhớ đến nhiều sự hy sinh của anh em lính thủy đánh bộ của tôi trong cuộc chiến đó và sự rút lui xúc phạm của các chính trị gia dối trá yếu đuối chỉ đơn giản là quay lưng lại với người miền Nam Việt Nam, và lính thủy đánh bộ, lính thủy, lính không quân Mỹ phục vụ để bảo vệ đất nước TỪ cộng sản tiếp quản.
Tôi rất tức giận với chính phủ của mình vì đã bẻ cong những yêu cầu của những người cực đoan, vô trách nhiệm, và những người đào tạo văn hóa phụ đã phản đối một cách ích kỷ bất cứ điều gì họ có thể ném vào sẽ ném vào ý chí.
Các chính trị gia chỉ quan tâm đến sự nổi tiếng cá nhân với mục đích duy nhất là nhận đủ số phiếu để vào hoặc ở lại trong một cơ quan chính trị - một công việc được trả lương thực sự không đòi hỏi phải làm gì ngoài việc vỗ môi và thốt ra những lời nói vô nghĩa và không ràng buộc . Donald J. Trump là Tổng thống tốt nhất trong đời tôi, nếu không vì lý do nào khác:
1. Anh ấy làm những gì anh ấy hứa sẽ làm;
2. Anh ấy nói chính xác những gì anh ấy nói và tin vào;
Politicians care only for personal popularity for the sole purpose of getting enough votes to get into, or remain, in a political office - a overpaid job that really requires no work beyond flapping their lips and uttering “words” that are meaningless and non-binding. Donald J. Trump is the best President of my lifetime, if for no other reasons than:
He does what he promises to do; He says exactly what he means and believes in;
He is committed to this nation, it’s freedoms and rights and the same for all other friendly nations. …. Had he been in command at the time of the war in Vietnam, I feel with all certainty that it would have ended within three years and that North Vietnam would have submitted to their UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER.
Các chính trị gia chỉ quan tâm đến sự nổi tiếng cá nhân với mục đích duy nhất là nhận đủ số phiếu để vào hoặc ở lại trong một cơ quan chính trị - một công việc được trả lương thực sự không đòi hỏi phải làm gì ngoài việc vỗ môi và thốt ra những lời nói vô nghĩa và không ràng buộc . Donald J. Trump là Tổng thống tốt nhất trong đời tôi, nếu không vì lý do nào khác:
1. Anh ấy làm những gì anh ấy hứa sẽ làm; 2. Anh ấy nói chính xác những gì anh ấy nói và tin vào; 3. Anh ấy cam kết với quốc gia này, đó là quyền tự do và quyền của người khác và tương tự cho tất cả các quốc gia thân thiện khác. Sầu. 4. Anh ấy đã chỉ huy vào thời điểm chiến tranh ở Việt Nam, tôi cảm thấy chắc chắn rằng nó sẽ kết thúc trong vòng ba năm và Bắc Việt Nam sẽ đệ trình lên NGƯỜI TỰ TIN KHÁC NHAU của họ. One day, the flag of THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH VIETNAM will fly again over SAIGON, CHU LAI, DANANG, HUẾ và QUANG TRÍ. Một ngày nào đó, lá cờ của CỘNG HÒA NAM NAM sẽ lại bay trên SAIGON, CHU LAI, DANANG, HUẾ và QUANG TRÍ. Profile photo for Cecil DeVille Cecil DeVille · September 26 So, somehow this posting ended up as a suggestion for me to read in late September of 2021. I read through all the comments and have come to the conclusion that one thing is for certain especially in the case of when discussing the two flags, geographic location, and genealogy. Flag pride, national pride, and ethnic pride do nothing but create problems and arguments.
I can never and will never understand ethnical or national pride because for me pride should only be for something one achieves or attains in life, not something that happens by birth. Being born in a certain geographical location and into a certain ethnicity isn’t a skill.
But people love pride. They feel full when they wave a flag, or brag about their ethnicity. Look no further than the comments here and one can see what pride does. It creates a bitterness and discord towards each other. There is no pride in such behavior. If there were no such thing as a flag or borders, we wouldn’t have any bitterness towards each other. Try to purge your thoughts of such evil and realize that we are all human beings and should act like such.
Profile photo for Jason Tran Jason Tran · August 15, 2018 The simple reason I don't accept the current flag of Vietnam is that I am not a communist.
Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · August 21, 2019 The South Vietnamese flag is one of the most powerful and beautiful flag in the world. The current communist flag is an absolute abomination. Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · September 1, 2019 Yeah, like how it beautifully and powerfully flew over Dien Bien Phu on the French's side in 1954? Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · September 1, 2019 You have a point. I suggest when Vietnam is ever free from communism, that a new flag is propose. Meanwhile I will support this flag because millions die fighting for freedom under this flag. Comment deletedMarch 19, 2020 Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · January 30, 2020 What's your point? I'm American and I intend to stay that way and never implied that I wasn't. Vietnamese-Americans never had any reason to embrace the current flag and we still don't have any reason to. I'm just answering the question that was asked. On the other hand, I have no clue what you're going on about. Profile photo for Tran Chi Anh Tran Chi Anh · April 30, 2020 The term “no longer exist” should be changed to “ never exist” Profile photo for Andy Tran Andy Tran · April 25, 2019 Cause Communism sucks! Profile photo for Quoc Bao Quoc Bao · September 26 Then you are American citizen with Vietnamese ethnic background. Profile photo for Tim Dougherty Tim Dougherty · August 14, 2018 Your family picked.the wrong side more than.once. The Uda sute could use some capital.reform. Money should not rule. Profile photo for Thinh Nguyen Thinh Nguyen · August 14, 2018 Yes Tim, we took chances for freedom and democracy, Profile photo for Michael Herndon Michael Herndon · October 23 Well said! Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · January 4, 2021 3 que tượng trưng cho 3 miền đất nước ,nhưng các người lại ủng hộ nước VN chia cắt.Thật lố bịch. 3 sticks represent the 3 regions of the country, but you support a divided Vietnam.Ridiculous. Profile photo for Hai-Duong Pham Hai-Duong Pham · October 14, 2018 Yes, Saigon 4ever!!! Profile photo for Hào Phạm Hào Phạm · May 9, 2019 do you know ‘3 que’ ? Comment deletedMarch 19, 2020 Profile photo for Thi H. Nguyen Thi H. Nguyen · January 30, 2020 What's your point? I'm American and I intend to stay that way and never implied that I wasn't. Vietnamese-Americans never had any reason to embrace the current flag and we still don't have any reason to. I'm just answering the question that was asked. On the other hand, I have no clue what you're going on about. Sponsored by FinanceBuzz 8 clever moves when you have $1,000 in the bank. We've put together a list of 8 money apps to get you on the path towards a bright financial future. Profile photo for Mina Mina Answered Sep 27 Because my parents were born under that flag and so were my grandparents. My grandparents are from the North but moved into the South and technically they were born under the Heritage and Freedom flag because that flag was also flown all over Hanoi before HCM gabbed power. (My grandparents were born before HCM and his Communist followers came into the picture). That flag represents an actual country that once existed and it wouldn’t make sense for the Vietnamese communities overseas to use the current flag of Vietnam because the truth of the matter is that these overseas Vietnamese communities are from a country called South Vietnam. 416 viewsView 6 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn · September 30 because that flag was also flown all over Hanoi before HCM gabbed power. And what do you think about this? Before HCM “gabbed power”, Hanoi was under illegal occupation of the French. Since the flag was flown under the illegal occupation of the French, what do you think it represented? Did it represent the illegal French occupation? Did it represent the puppets who served the French? How do you justify it? Profile photo for Dzung Le Dzung Le , former Sale Manager at Samsung (2008-2012) Answered May 20, 2019 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? There are some reasons: Some uses their former SVN flag as their way to antagonize the nowaday Vietnam government. Many simply doesn’t dare to challenge that, so they keep following more extremists way to avoid trouble, especially in the same community. As they learn from some lessons in the past, for example, a man named Tran Truong who flied the red flag in his store with picture of President Ho Chi Minh, that move caused a giant protest in front of his store in USA in 1990s, actually ruined his business thereafter. Recently, there are more challenges like that happened and the reaction of the V… (more) Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Chi Dung Nguyen Chi Dung Nguyen · May 22, 2019 Vietnamese overseas know about the United Nations, so no question about legitimacy of the “Red flag”. I think they just want to keep the flag of RVN in their communities in order to remind them of those good old days before the communists arrived and destroyed their lives. Their reaction towards the “Red flag” in their communities is understandable, maybe not always acceptable. Regarding the Mrs. World 2019 (not Miss World right?), the lady was born in the USA, so I suppose she is American citizen, so it confuses me when you write “she raised the red flag……..for the country she represented for”. I myself know that some people would do anything for fame and fortune, take for instance Vietnamese artists, musicians who live in the USA, but earn their livings by performing in Vietnam (they must naturally follow the terms of their contracts with local authority), som Mrs. World with the red flag is no shock for us, especially when the news is from Pho Bolsa TV (pro SRVN). Profile photo for Larry Vo Larry Vo · May 25, 2019 No Real people in Vietnam nor outside recognize your bloody flag. It does not represent 96 Million Vietnamese in or out. Girl in picture was trapped by someone in back stage. South Vietnam flag will be official flag of Vietnam when few more years communist government in Vietnam fall down. Profile photo for Dzung Le Dzung Le · May 27, 2019 In USA, you have your right to call Trump as fake. But he’s the real President of USA. So is Pompeo Profile photo for Duy Inoue Le Duy Inoue Le · June 17, 2019 larry vo you american vietnamese are so out of touch with vietnam lol your yellow 3 stripe flag will never be official flag of vietnam lel keep dream on meth head larry vo Sponsored by SmartAsset How to Conquer Your Biggest Retirement Fear. Simple mistakes can wreak havoc on your retirement. A financial advisor can help. Related questions More answers below When will a lot of Vietnamese overseas stop portraying bad images about Vietnam on the Internet? Why have overseas Vietnamese done nothing worthwhile for Vietnam? Why do a lot of Vietnamese overseas hate Vietnam? Profile photo for Peter Tran Peter Tran , Research history through reading books and Internet Answered Mar 4, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? To answer this question, one should ask oneself what is the reason for the Vietnamese overseas to leave their ancestors homeland in the first place? Is it because of economic reason? If that is the case, then they would be labeled as immigrants. Or is it because of political reason? If that is the case, then they would be labeled as refugees. From history perspective , the Vietnamese overseas left Vietnam as refugees. Therefore, they left Vietnam to go to their host countries to avoid political or religious prosecution. So to ask the Vietnamese overseas to accept the current Vietnam flag is like to ask them to betray the very real reason why they left Vietnam in the first place and also to ask them to betray their host countries which took them in as refugees to protect them from harm ways. The reason the Vietnamese overseas still keep using the former South Vietnam flag is because they want to make a statement that they are truly refugees and not economic immigrants. Currently half of Vietnam population are under 30 years old, born after the war ended 43 years ago, so understandably they view the current Vietnam flag as the true flag that represents Vietnam. But to the Vietnamese overseas, that flag is the real reason why they left Vietnam in the first place. Now let’s reverse the history and let the South Vietnam win instead; therefore, the people that ruled North Vietnam will take refuge in Russia or China. After a while, would they and their descendants in turn accept the South Vietnam flag as a flag that would represent them while they are exiled in their host countries? So hopefully the person that had asked this question would be more understanding and be more empathy to the Vietnamese overseas as they live their lives in exile in their adopted countries. 4.5K viewsView 57 upvotesView 2 shares 19 comments from Cheong Tee and more Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu , Grew up in Vietnam Answered Feb 25, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? As citizens of the former Republic of Vietnam, they are now citizens of Australia, Canada, or the US. They are Vietnamese but not Vietnamese citizens after all. They do not need to obey the laws of Vietnam, hence they can follow whatever flags they like. 3.4K viewsView 46 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for April Erbe April Erbe · February 26, 2018 I agreed. I currently living in Orange County and we have the largest overseas Vietnamese community here. Most of these Vietnamese or Vietnamese-Americans left Vietnam due to communism. Many of them escaped by boats from what they view as an oppressive regime and they are very anti-communist. You cannot expect them to fly the flag that represent the regime that they are very much against. Even though Vietnam had opened up the country and there are more freedom now, these Vietnamese anti-communist diehards are never going to fly the current flag. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 The communist regime was the big enemy of the Vietnamese living in Out site of Vietnam, the communist they put all the high range military man of south Vietnam in inhumanity education camp and robe the middle of south Vietnam and they pressure to try to suppress freedom and to take money out of the middle class, their actions resulted in a big wave of south Vietnamese living the Country to find freedom in this journey we lost 50% of the boat people, So the flag of the South Vietnam is the flag of the Vietnamese living in foreign countries and we all still want to go back to our country we are Americans only in our mind and our heart our souls we are the parole, until we can see the communist regimes in Vietnam collapse and we can go back there to live in our country for the last day of our life Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 6, 2019 Well, please don't blanket associate "Vietnamese living in foreign countries" with the flag of the deceased regime. I and many other Vietnamese living overseas do not have any connection with that flag. Not all overseas Vietnamese left the country by boat. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 You know the boat people make history all over the world Vietnamese don’t fear of deep sea and the chance of survival only50% which means we got on millions people in the US and another million people around the world and we lost 2 million people at sea we pay a dearly price for our freedom. You should be proud of the boat people instead you isolated them like the low level don’t have enough knowledge or education to be close with you. I don’t know the people like you bring what to Australia as the contribution. Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 6, 2019 Why should we proud of the boat people? The ARVN was supposed to defend the country, but they were the first to flee. The upper class and the rich were next to follow. We the peasants remained in the country. We are the ones who have experienced the poverty, the difficulty, and the development progress of the country ever since. You fled the country for your own better future. You were so brave to risk your life crossing the sea for your own future. Your arrival may make a history, but again, it's the history of your destination. Your departure, your bravery, your journey, your history had nothing to do with us the remainders. I respect your choice to seek refuge overseas. I sympathize that you had to flee the Fatherland. I'm sorry for your loss during your journey crossing the sea. But there is no reason for me a remainder to proud of the leavers. And mind you, there is an estimate of 4.5 million of Vietnamese living overseas. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 The time the boat people left Vietnam the communist party just took over the south Vietnam and the communist they are very much don’t have any human right in their way of government they give people very minimal of human respect and they abuse power and the law was not Truly makes out of congress like the country you are at now for your education, The south Vietnam was living with freedom and people are a bit richer than the north. The communist at the beginning when they just United our country, they were coming from the forest with very much not thing and the south Vietnam is.a lot different than what they been imagined. So the soldiers in the low level started to corrupt and try to take advantage of the people. The communist asking the peoples to the new economic zone and take a way their home. And the people of the south Vietnam soldiers, the communist put them in re-educated camp in the mountains or in the north Vietnam very far from society and treated them very bad ‘ That was created a very large number of people left Vietnam on boat very small boat you can see them at the farm and river in Vietnam, the boat give you 50% success to start from Vietnam to the international water and to the near by country. In a few years they have a few million people left and 50% of them deaths at sea and 50% alive. The international community has to come up with the program to recuse them and pressured the communist of Vietnam to stop them, a lot of people living are rich people they have to buy the boat and give the communist gold or dollars to buy their way out. Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 6, 2019 You got a lengthy reply but I don’t understand if it has anything to do with us the remainders. You were so brave to flee. We the remainders were also so brave to live with what you feared. You gave up your wealth to cross the sea. All you left behind were us the remainders. The human traffickers and the pirates got your wealth, we the remaining peasants got nothing. We remainders did not benefit from your departure. Mind you, not all South Vietnamese were wealthy under the deceased regime. The ARVN members and the richies were the first to flee the country. The remaining peasants did not join the exodus. They lived in poverty under the former regime, and had nothing to lose under the new authority. If the old regime did not cease to exist, there would be no guarantee that the peasants would live more comfortably. In fact, our living standards have been slowly improved under the ruling of the new regime, despite the “harsh policies” and the embargoes by the US, where you were living comfortably and enjoying your “freedom”. I agree that there was a vast number of people fleeing the country in the 80s, but there were much more people staying in the country. I understand your hostile attitude towards the current regime. You risked your lives to flee the “unfair treatments” from the current regime. You suffered a lot during your journey across the sea. You are totally entitled to proud of that. But we remainders were the ones who “suffered” whatever bad things which made you flee. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 Hello my friend you didn’t left Vietnam by boat how did you get out of Vietnam you belong to the corrupt red communist of Vietnam and left Vietnam with lots of foreign currency, or you are a good student and came to Australia for higher education and your family still in Vietnam. We said Vietnamese living in foreign countries and anti communist and calling our self parole people. Even I am a US citizen and well educated in Americans. To us we are in foreign countries just for avoiding the communist ruling our life and we leverage the time we are in the western country with the best technology and high standards of living. We learned all of that and waiting for the time to go back to our country and see if we can contribute anything. I don’t know what you are thinking and what makes you so isolated with the flag of the last deceased government. we don’t blanked you with us that easy we are the parole and refugee living in foreign countries When you have time we invite you to littleSaigon to see how our capital of the Vietnamese paroles and refugees and see if you really Proud to be the refugee and parole Vietnamese people Profile photo for Dong Nguyen Ha Dong Nguyen Ha · March 11, 2018 The Communist Vietnam is not our Vietnam. Viet Kieus love the country and the people, but not the Communist government, which is represented by the red flag with the yellow star. We have no allegiance to this government, so we don't fly the red flag. To show pride in our Vietnamese heritage, we fly the yellow flag with three stripes. Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · August 21, 2019 Viet Kieu are the only true Vietnamese because our culture, custom, and values are still intact. We fought for our countries freedom. So many risked their lives to save Vietnam by fighting communism. Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 21, 2019 Fought for freedom? Really? Who were the first fleeing the country? Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · August 21, 2019 North Vietnamese follow by South Vietnamese. A lot of Vietnamese like my family came to the U.S after our parents were torture in re-education gulag camps. Those that escaped in 1975 were lucky. Vietnamese boat people or anyone that came via plane in the 90’s left because they had no other choice. We fought to the last bullets, U.S stop sending Aids money because they allied with China and betrayed Vietnam. Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · August 21, 2019 So were ARVN members the first to flee? Weren't they supposed to defend the "country"? Didn't they leave the civilians behind? By the way, I used to hear the terms "tactical retreat". Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · March 20, 2021 The way you locked very much like an educated person, but you have money to go to school in Australia, and you don’t understand the democracy of the country you are in, and don’t know how to apply your knowledge into your life, respect others ideology, the communists of Vietnam are corrupted and sent their children to the United States, Australia but we don’t care about their parents, we still treated them like our Vietnamese with respect. Human thinking is your fortune used your education and knowledge for the benefits of life in the country you are in for success and happiness, you can love the communists of Vietnam but respect the other ideology and freedom Profile photo for Dylan Pham Dylan Pham · March 6, 2018 I grew up in the USA, where I didn't know that the flag of Vietnam was a red flag with a yellow star until I was 12. In the US and other Vietnamese diasporas in Canada and other European countries, we pledge allegience to the republic, not the communist state. It represents our free selves, and logically , we brought over the Republic flag because we didn't want to pledge to the Communist one. Profile photo for Thanh Pham Thanh Pham · August 6, 2019 That is your opinion you are in Australia not in Vietnam and to me I don’t came to the US to live the Americans dream. I really anticommunist , the flag of communist now is really unhealthy has nothing representing the Vietnam people. It only gave me the Red communist with no or low education and ruling our country with red blood all over our country and at the deep sea . The flag right now the Vietnamese major of them love it and most of them was willing to die for that flag, and they are my last generation they don’t have much longer time to see our country to be a united Capitalist again We both live in the freedom world if you don’t want to be count as the parole Vietnamese and want to be in the site of the communist world you have the right to do so and we all respect your freedom Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · September 4, 2020 You seem to forget who were the signatories of the Paris Peace Accord 1973. You seem to deny the fact that the Republic of Vietnam was just one of the two Vietnamese entities in the South of Vietnam. You seem to reject the existence of the Republic of South Vietnam, or more precisely the Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam. South Vietnam was not a united Capitalist country. The peole willing to die for that flag were the first to flee the country.
By the way, I am an overseas Vietnamese citizen.
Comment deletedJuly 17, 2019 Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · March 11, 2018 To be honest, I don't bother to care. I am a Southern Vietnamese. I was born after 1975 under the ruling of the current regime. The red striped yellow flag is alien to me.
My mother's uncle was an officer of the ARVN. He came to the US under the Orderly Departure Program about 20 years ago and never come back. My mother's sister once tried and failed to flee the country. Her family lost almost all their money and gold. They remain in Vietnam, just are not as wealthy as they were. I still don't bother to care much.
The world may have sympathy for the boat people for their pain and their loss, but I don't see any reason for us remainders to do so. Vietnamese refugees risked their lives to escape from the current regime for their own future. We remainders are still living under the current regime. The leavers saw living under the current regime unbearable, we the remainders are currently bearing it.
I came to Australia as a student and migrated under the skilled migration scheme. As an overseas Vietnamese, the yellow flag is still alien to me, albeit others fly it next to the Aussie flag.
Comment deletedJuly 17, 2019 Profile photo for Sonny Kieu Sonny Kieu · March 11, 2018 Instead of answering your question, lemme tell you one thing. My grandmother was tortured by the ARVN. She lived in pain for the rest of her life. She passed away in pain. The family of my father's sister was killed by the ARVN too. Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Bảo Thiên Ngô , California-born Vietnamese American Updated Feb 2, 2020 Colonialism → Independence movement → War of two governments → Reunification At the turn of the 20th century, the area that constituted current-day Vietnam was part of the Indochinese Union (IU) 🇫🇷 and my grandparents (as well as many of the grandparents of my current generation I’m sure) were born during this time as French subjects. At the onset of WWII, nationalist movements throughout Southeast Asia were springing up. Among them were the Viet Minh, who used the red flag 🇻🇳 as a rallying flag for independence starting in 1940. Imperial Japan ousted the French government authorities and occupied the IU during WWII. Following the surrender of Japan and WWII, Ho Chi Minh declared an independent Vietnam on September 2, 1945, and formed the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV). It was at war with France who tried to reassert their control of Indochinese Union after WWII. In 1949, the State of Vietnam was formed by France as they transitioned from the old colonial system and formed the French Union, of which the State of Vietnam was a part of. Bear in mind, like the DRV which claim all of Vietnam under its jurisdiction, so did the State of Vietnam. The State of Vietnam would use the yellow flag with three stripes 🏳☰. In 1954, the French would be defeated by DRV, and at the Geneva Conference that year, an agreement was made that Vietnam would be divided at the 17th parallel, with the DRV occupying the north half of Vietnam, and the State of Vietnam in the southern half, with elections to take place for a president that would preside over both halves. That election never took place, and thus began a war between DRV and the State of Vietnam vying for control over the fate of the whole Vietnam. The State of Vietnam would become the Republic of Vietnam (RVN) in 1955 as it left the French Union. From 1955 to 1975, Americans became involved to work with RVN to contain DRV. Although Americans call this the Vietnam War, and North Vietnamese would call this the American War, remember there was still a conflict between DRV and RVN. Americans withdrew from Vietnam in 1973, and eventually the RVN was defeated in 1975, and Vietnam being reunified a year later. Exodus of South Vietnamese post-Reunification Reference: What happened to South Vietnam after the war? So you have a whole generation who grew up from 1955 to 1975 under the RVN which used the yellow flag. Then after Vietnam was reunified, these people, especially former RVN soldiers, were brought in for evaluation and sent to reeducation camps. I’ve done an interview of my father who was a telecommunications officer of the ARVN. Following the end of the war, he had to remain in hiding and kept a low profile in Ho Chi Minh City (no longer called Saigon), because his ARVN comrades were being reported by their neighbors and then escorted to reeducation camps. He ended up in a reeducation camp for 5 years. During this time, his family was starving. Although he claims it was due to discrimination from their ties to my father being a former ARVN soldier, I think everyone was struggling considering that the U.S. imposed an embargo on Vietnam (one that wouldn’t be lifted until 1994). Despite the end of the war, Vietnam would find itself in still more conflicts, such as the Cambodian-Vietnamese War (1978–1989) and the Sino-Vietnamese War in 1979, leading to a China-led embargo on Vietnam. Neighbors were keeping an eye on each other, breeding a sense of cautious distrust. And regardless of whether discrimination was intentional, an estimated 1.6 million Vietnamese were resettled between 1975 and 1997, either as boat people or through orderly departure programs, and another estimated 200–400 thousand boat people died at sea. Look, I’m not judging; I can imagine being in the shoes of a Communist Party administrator presiding over HCM City and having the responsibility of restoring order following one war, and simultaneously wanting to suppress any possible insurrection by former RVN military while you’re in the middle of yet another war. You simply cannot afford internal revolt. Yes, I’ve heard stories of those former RVN military who tried to incite revolt or maintain resistance against the Communist Party. Regardless, the harsh tactics of the Vietnamese government failed to win the hearts and minds of these former RVN soldiers and their families. And they were also impacted economically as the country struggled to rebuild and stabilize its economy. So they fled the country. And then they resettled in countries where they had the freedom to express their hate for the victorious Communist Party of Vietnam, whom they blame for the death of their comrades/family during the war, the suffering within reeducation camps, the economic discrimination in post-Reunification Vietnam, and the suffering and death of boat people. And they used the flags as a way to embody their pain and anger. The yellow flag would be a rallying point of a shared trauma. The red flag became the target of their extreme hate of the Communist victors. Anti-communism in the diaspora communities Reference: Why do most Vietnamese Americans hate the current Vietnamese government? So in these new countries, and I’ll use the United States since I’m most familiar with this country, the Vietnamese refugees would try to rebuild their livelihoods. And even though the war was over, they had the freedom to congregate, and use the yellow flag as remembrance for everything they had lost. No, they weren’t mourning over the government. If anything, even they also lamented how the leaders behaved. No, the loss they felt is having to leave all of their possessions behind. They left all of their extended relatives behind. They lost family and friends to death. And they could not go back to their homeland. And so the activity of denouncing communists would become tradition. Part of these traditions would be groups that would engage in active takedowns of red flags in the United States (I call these people yellow guards). It certainly was still happening in the mid-2000s when I was a college student. And unsurprisingly, you also had multiple fundamentally anti-communist organizations forming overseas as well, such as Third Republic of Vietnam, Government of Free Vietnam, and the Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League to name a few. I believe the current Vietnamese government designates all of them as terrorist groups (though Vietnam’s definition of terrorism differs from the U.S. in that it includes activities that undermine the solidarity of the nation). One of the largest examples of this anti-communism was the Hi-Tek incident where in 1999, a video store owner put up the red flag and a portrait of Ho Chi Minh, drawing thousands to demonstrate outside the store with the yellow flag in arms. Why? I think people came for various reasons. Some were certainly yellow guards who wanted to take down the red flag. But I think most people wanted to express the pain caused by their lives under the red flag. This pain has been unacknowledged by the current Vietnamese government. Look, I understand that Vietnam during this time was economically starving under a U.S.-led embargo, and trying to build a self-sufficient and independent country after several wars and colonialism. In my personal opinion, I felt like Vietnam was punished and set up to fail, and when the government made mistakes while having little international support, those who lived outside of Vietnam used those mistakes as reasons that the government is incompetent, cruel, and illegitimate, and that the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) should just be dissolved. That’s not to say the CPV is completely faultless; corruption, incompetence, and violence do happen. But I go beyond where most people stop: I seek to understand why. What was the environment like that made these people act the way they did? I think hatred has a way of narrowing one’s view of the bigger picture of what’s truly happening. I don’t accept simple rhetoric of “evil” or “brainwashed”. I think over time, the anti-communist rallies needed reasons to delegitimize the Vietnamese government. And so they used the matter of freedom of speech in Vietnam. According to Reporters Without Borders, Vietnam is almost dead last when it comes to freedom of the press. Although the usage of the yellow flag inside Vietnam per se not illegal, it can be tied to conspiracy against the state (see Is it a crime to display the South Vietnam flag in Vietnam?). So then a feedback loop occurs: the Vietnamese government enhances the importance of the yellow flag by making its usage a crime, and then the yellow flag supporters will then want to use it even more BECAUSE the Vietnamese government cracks down on its usage, further evidence of its lack of respect for freedom of speech and its illegitimacy, which then makes the Vietnamese government want to further tighten its control over the media to make sure insurrections don’t happen… and on and on we go. And over the decades, Vietnamese American organizations would try to get the yellow flag publicly recognized in cities, counties, and other public institutions, as the official flag representing the Vietnamese American community. It is given the name Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag. The movement for official recognition is still ongoing, as are red-flag takedowns. The Silent Spaces During this time, you had multiple waves of migrations. Some were family members sponsored by the refugees that were already here. Some came later not so much for political persecution, but economic reasons. And then following the lifting of the U.S.-led embargo in 1994, a growing number of international students. You had a mix of those who have lived under the RVN, with those who were born after the war. Anti-communism has a way of dominating headlines because its nature is to be vocal and visible. What about the people who were born after the war, lived in Vietnam for, say, 15 years, and then got sponsored to live here in the United States. Technically, they grew up under the red flag, and then arrived to the U.S. and saw the yellow flag for the first time. Some may learn to adopt the yellow flag as their identity. And then some don’t. I have a friend who doesn’t give a care about the flags; he says it doesn’t put food on the table. People like him navigate the communities by adopting a “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” attitude. Because I work with Vietnamese American youth from the year 2000 until even now, I’ve seen the whole range and gamut of the various Vietnamese Student Associations (VSA) across college campuses and the students that comprise them. And the flag issue comes up (see Christopher VanLang's answer to Do new immigrant Vietnamese people have a serious clash of ideology with old overseas Vietnamese community in the West? How do they live peacefully? and Chi Tran's answer to What is your experience of being a Vietnamese person in America?). Some VSAs will use the yellow flag. Some will use no flag, because a large portion of their membership are those who grew up under the red flag. If they had a choice, they might use the red flag, but that would draw attention and ire from yellow guards who will immediately try to shut them down. One of my friends, who came to the U.S. from Vietnam to attend college, was hit in the back of her head once when someone found out she was a student from Vietnam; essentially stereotyped without a chance to share herself. This happened around 2015, so not too long ago. There are no-flag spaces where you have a mix of both Vietnamese American youth who are born here, alongside those who grew up in part or entirely in post-Reunification Vietnam. Some students might even have family on both sides of the war (I recommend reading The Best We Could Do: An Illustrated Memoir by Thi Bui). In these spaces where political affiliation isn’t so clear-cut, they come together with an agreement that connection, respect, and shared joy is more important than brandishing a flag that could serve as a wall between them. I don’t know how common it is, because their nature is to be silent and not advertise themselves. Future of the flags in America There will still be strong support by the first generation for the yellow flag, because the emotional trauma makes that connection so strong. Simultaneously, they are the ones will actively take down red flags. Trauma cannot be healed; it can only be managed. The second generation will use the yellow flag both out of respect for the first generation, and also because it has become a part of their identity. They may continue to try to take down the red flag, mainly because the first generation are watching. Those who don’t wave the yellow flags are either staying silent and hidden, or have acculturated into mainstream America and developed no interest on the matter. By the third generation, it’s probable that the red-flag takedowns cease, and you see both flags, but in a segregated community. They don’t carry hate, but they still cling to their family’s history and tradition, and will insist that their family’s flag is represented. I personally take interest in some kind of reconciliation. I don’t know what that looks like yet, but for those interested in that kind of discussion, see How can there be proper reconciliation between the current Vietnamese government in Hanoi, and former South Vietnamese military veterans and administrators? and How could we reconcile extreme Northern Vietnamese with overseas Southern Vietnamese? 2.5K viewsView 16 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Tuan Vu Tuan Vu · January 28, 2020 If there are 1 mil upvotes, I will surely upvote a million times! Well-done Ngô Thiên Bảo! You have written a clear and precise explanation on the Flag complications between the Vietnamese in Vietnam and Vietnamese Americans and their younger generations. Being born and raised in Vietnam myself and having lived in Australia for a few years, I faced a dilemma in meeting and discussing with the former Viet refugees living in Melbourne. According to them everything in Vietnam is corrupt and that nothing can be done to resolve the situation except the collapse of the Party and the current regime. Anyway I was traumatised for about 2 years sharing a house with an ex refugees too (you know, hearing negative rants about my home country everyday). Now i am alright, I can’t say I hate these people (they were victims ofthe war and the chaotic post-war years), but I sympathise with them for what they have been through. Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Bảo Thiên Ngô · January 28, 2020 Thanks Tuan Vu, we both experience what is called secondhand trauma; we did not experience the war, but the impact on our grandparents and parents generation does have an impact on our generation. It’s not a term a lot of people use, but I bring it up because it precisely describes what we went through. Otherwise, I’m glad you’re doing well! Profile photo for Tuan Vu Profile photo for Tuan Vu Tuan Vu · January 28, 2020 That is right. We were born after the war and everything we knew about it have been told from the our parents who were directly or indirectly affected from the war. Changing people’s minds is very hard, especially for the Vietnamese people, of any side in the war. But I have tried my best to conform and to sympathise with (and not Hate) those Viet Australians of old generations. Still I find it amused (?) or hilarious when someone keep talking badly about my country, a place where they have never lived for the past decades. Having lived and grown up in Vietnam for 3 decades, I can’t say we are among the top among Asia (as those ex refugees expected), but we are striving to build up a robust economy and reform our policies with our current financial and human resources. I mean it is so easy to tell from a point of view of foreigners visiting Vietnam once in a while, but it will mean nothing to some ex-refugees who always find excuses to have my country destroyed. Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · January 4, 2021 The defeated 2 million immigrants have no right to speak for 97 million Vietnamese.Your crimes to Vietnam are never forgotten Profile photo for Duc Ha Duc Ha · June 15, 2021 There is not an ounce of hate or prejudice in your post. You made effort in trying to understand and respect the stories of both sides. If 50% of the people from both sides could make similar effort before the war, there would have been no war to start with. Respect! Profile photo for Linh Dang Linh Dang · January 11, 2021 Very thorough and balance answer. Profile photo for SANG PHAM SANG PHAM , lives in Ho Chi Minh City (2005-present) Answered Sep 28 Because many of them still associate with that flag, they were born in the Republic of Vietnam and when they left for America or other countries. When they have children they want them to continue to use it to represent Vietnam. They get really offended when people rip it or when people fly the current flag of Vietnam. For me as a Vietnamese that never grow up in the Republic of Vietnam, it’s fascinating, but that’s it. 191 viewsView 1 upvote Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Falco Cherrug Falco Cherrug , lives in Vietnam (1995-present) Answered Aug 10, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? People that are trying to hold onto something that did not exist since 1975. Usually also people that add nothing to the development of modern Vietnam and believe everything was better in the “good old days”. 885 viewsView 13 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 10, 2019 Have you seen this Early Chinese Liberation Flag. Note, Ho chi Minh was the military member of this army in late 1920 to mid 1930 under the nane Hu Guang with the rank of lieutenant. gutian congress mao tse tung Profile photo for Truyen Ho Truyen Ho · August 26, 2019 The 3 red stripes on yellow flag , which is represented well the Vietnamese people and land of the country . Yellow skin , red blood Viet living evenly in 3 parts ( North , Central , South , 33 millions each + 3 millions Viet overseas ) . The current RED flag does not represent any of Viet . It is VERY matching with Communist Chinese and old Soviet ( ( 1917-1989 ) Profile photo for Rei Lee Rei Lee , lives in Hong Kong Answered Jan 3, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Overseas Vietnamese sees the south Vietnamese flag as the true representation of the Vietnamese people and its country, (The three strips in the middle of the flag actually represents the north, central, and south Vietnam) instead of the current flag (I don’t see it representing anything culturally Vietnamese other than the communist ideology), since they don’t associate themselves with communism they would fly the south Vietnamese flag(Note that the south Vietnamese flag is known as the Vietnamese heritage flag, since the country does not exist anymore). 3.3K viewsView 25 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Arthur Hu Arthur Hu · January 13, 2018 Maybe better to ask why so many Americans in the 1960s flew the flag of the Viet cong, and still think they were the good guys. Profile photo for Thanh T. Nguyễn Thanh T. Nguyễn · January 11, 2018 Actually, our current flag is similiar to the flag of Tay Son dynasty, its has flag with red color and the yellow star in the middle resembles the current Vietnam flag, the people in that time see the star as a circle so the flag. And the yellow flag with three red stripes that the people nowaday view as nothing more than a French puppet or for someone it similiar to 18th century Civil war between Tay Son dynasty, Trinh lords and Nguyen lords. Sorry for any grammar or vocabulary errors for which my English skill is not very good. Profile photo for Rei Lee Rei Lee · January 11, 2018 That is interesting to know, but what I have said is from the perspective of overseas Vietnamese(the ones who escaped the Communists when they took over South Vietnam) because they are the ones who still use the flag with the three stripes. They don’t see the flag as symbolizing a puppet state, but I believe this is the perspective of the Vietnamese population in Vietnam and ones who recently emigrated. Profile photo for Thanh T. Nguyễn Profile photo for Thanh T. Nguyễn Thanh T. Nguyễn · January 12, 2018 I feel pity for them for becoming like this, after all they are still Vietnamese, they have been brainwashed by propaganda from the Cold War. Communist or not, this is merely a tool to our own liberation, everything we have done so far are coming from nationalism. You may don't know that, after gained independent from the Japanese, the first thing Ho Chi Minh did was to establish diplomatic relation with the US but Henry S. Truman ignore it and continue support the French Profile photo for Rei Lee Rei Lee · January 12, 2018 They just hate Communism, these things can’t be helped. Some of them gone through hell because the communists took over. I also realized that flying the current Vietnamese flag or displaying a portrait of Ho Chi Minh in overseas Vietnamese communities are seen as huge offenses and they would petition for the flag or portrait to be removed. Profile photo for Tim Tran Tim Tran · February 25, 2018 Nó. The circle in ancient East Asia represented the sun, not the star. The sun as in the heaven, and the holder of the flag was Son of Heaven, who inherited the throne. Nothing related to the flag of modern Vietnam. The Tay Son flag also represented monarchial ideology so I don't know where you got this information from. Also, that Tây Sơn flag you're referring to is fake. It's a modern creation. If you can give me source from that time period that depicts the Tay Son flag, then we'll talk. Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 8, 2019 Gutian is the site of Gutian Congress or Gutian Conference, 9th... Profile photo for Hiep Nguyen Hiep Nguyen · January 6, 2018 Why do we have to split the country into 3 areas? Profile photo for Rei Lee Rei Lee · April 17, 2018 I think it was because of different culture and ethnic groups in the 3 areas. Profile photo for Thanh T Nguyen Thanh T Nguyen · September 23, 2018 Gutian is the site of Gutian Congress or Gutian Conference, 9th... http://c8.alamy.com/comp/GG2GC7/chinese-propaganda-poster-mao-zedong-at-the-conference-of-gutian-where-GG2GC7.jpg Flag of early Chinese Liberation Army Note: Ho chi Minh was a leutenant in this army during 1930′ period with the name Hu Guang. http://dtinews.vn/en/news/024/6308/ho-chi-minh-as-commander-hu-guang-in-china.html Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · July 16, 2019 Are The “true” people of Vietnam always the henchmen for the French, the US against the independence and unity of Vietnam? Profile photo for Long Dang Long Dang Answered May 22, 2019 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Cause they are bunch of losers who can‘t deal with the truth that they lost the vietnam war. Now they keep barking and protesting against the current government. Their flag represent the slavery of the french colonization. And that‘s what they always do: being the dog of their colonial master. 760 viewsView 12 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Minh Châu Trương Minh Châu Trương · October 25 Also, because disrespectful people like you are the face of communism and the new regime, they would really not want to have to deal with your “dog agenda" daily, and so they chose to immigrate. What do you have to offer but foul tounge and devolution. Your government is shit and VN failed to take off all those years because of corruption and being China's puppet. The country produced a bunch of foul mounth lowlies that includes you. People know what happened after the war ended regardless of how foul mounthed you are. Profile photo for Minh Châu Trương Minh Châu Trương · October 25 Well at least they are not China's dog Profile photo for Hoa Le Hoa Le , lived in Vietnam (1955-1986) Answered Mar 28, 2020 Simple answer is that Vietnamese Americans want to dissociate themselves with the actual Vietnamese communist regime. Lots of them have had family members fighting in the Vietnam war. Most of them came from high ranking members in the South Vietnamese government and therefore any actions that can be referred to surrendering to the actual regime would be considered an act of betrayal to the ones who sacrificed for that war. On the other hand this flag still creates jobs and income, so why not. 578 viewsView 5 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Bảo Thiên Ngô Bảo Thiên Ngô · May 14, 2020 How does a flag “create jobs and income”? Profile photo for Dương T. Nguyễn Dương T. Nguyễn , Vietnamese history researcher since 1990 Answered May 24, 2019 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Why should they? They are not citizens of Vietnam. They are NOT Vietnamese. By becoming citizens of other countries, they abandoned their Vietnamese identity. Thus, they have neither duty nor right to talk, or even think, about Vietnam. They are, for all purposes, foreigners. It makes no sense to ask foreigners to accept the flag of Vietnam, since they have no connection to it at all. 924 viewsView 14 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Banh Dau Banh Dau , former Hardware Engineer Updated Feb 25, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? You still see many Americans fly the Confederate flag right? The current Vietnam flag represents a repressive and corrupt government, which many oversea Vietnamese ran away from. So naturally, they won’t accept that flag. It’s the same as why the Taiwanese don’t use the PRC flag, or the South Koreans don’t use the North Korean flag. 1.2K viewsView 15 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Taylor Naza Taylor Naza · March 3, 2018 Exactly. This is why many Iranians abroad also represent the pre-1979 Iranian flag. Profile photo for Louis Nguyen Louis Nguyen · November 21, 2018 Is that right? What does that flag looks like? Profile photo for Rich Kirshen Rich Kirshen , former Retired Business Owner at S. Ross & Co. (1976-2013) Answered Jul 4, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? As far as I know the only place and the only people who defiantly fly the flag of the former country of South Vietnam are Vietnamese emigres living in North America and Australia. The country of South Vietnam ceased to exist in 1975 and the flag is not recognized by any countries of the world, and is displayed only by a number of private citizens. 323 viewsView 5 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Steven L. Gaudry Steven L. Gaudry , studied Combat PTSD at U.S. Coast Guard (1969) Answered Sep 23, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? For the same reason that the Confederate “Rebel” flag was ever popular for 150 years after they lost, too. 402 viewsView 4 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Quôc Trân Pham Quôc Trân Pham , studied at Ecole Normale Supérieure De Cachan Answered Aug 18, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? The diaspora in Western countries are mostly made up of people who left VN as political refugees. In the USA, those who fly the SVN are either: People and their descendants who left VN in 1975 with the help of the US administration. People who were admitted to the USA from the refugee camps in HK, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippines. They left Vietnam clandestinely mostly by boat and were boarded by merchant ships crossing them on their way to commercial harbours. People and their descendants who underwent imprisonment in Vietnam because they were workers in the South Vietnamese administration, they served in a US admin or organisation, they got granted access to the USA under the Ordered Departure Program. You understand why those are flying the SVN flag and not the current Vietnamese flag. The immigrants who settled in the US recently with workers visa, marriage or green card against investments …are loyal to the communist flag. 797 viewsView 4 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · September 23, 2019 Anti-communism in Anamite style of people,who in all life were snuggle on the skirt of foreign invaders against their country. Profile photo for Quôc Trân Pham Quôc Trân Pham · September 23, 2019 And how about the Annamite communists who sealed a pact with the ancestral enemy to massacre their countrymen ?!!!! Profile photo for Robert Flynn Robert Flynn , Texas writer who was an embed with Golf Company, 2nd Battalion Fifth Marines in Answered Aug 10, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? For the same reason some southerners fly the battle flag of the Army of Virginia. They resist the idea that Vietnam may never be the way they remember it. 105 viewsView 4 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Sam Eaton Sam Eaton · September 7, 2019 I believe that mourning over a beloved lifestyle that can no longer exist is a better answer. As a Texan I get a double dose of that, As someone who evacuated Saigon along with his wife and children and I have been affected at least 3 times Profile photo for Robert Flynn Robert Flynn · September 9, 2019 Thank you for your comment. In 1989, I stayed at the Rex Hotel that had been the location of the Joint US Public Affairs Office (JUSPAO). Many US officers who worked in Saigon stayed there. The hotel still had the name Rex and its notepads still were marked Rex Hotel. I brought back several pads for… (more) Profile photo for Sam Eaton Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · September 23, 2019 That's why their are despised
Profile photo for Paul Richter Paul Richter , traveled by bicycle from Hanoi to Saigon in 1997 Answered Jul 4, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? Most Vietnamese-Americans today are, or are descended from, refugees from South Vietnam around the time of its defeat to North Vietnam in 1975. They consider the current government of Vietnam (the Socialist Republic of Vietnam) and its flag to be illegitimate, and the old South Vietnam flag to represent the “real” country of Vietnam.
In official capacities, such as those of the U.S. government, the government and flag of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam are recognized.
513 viewsView 4 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Joseph Wang Joseph Wang , Chief Scientist, Bitquant Research Answered Mar 5, 2014 For the same reason that I like flying the Republic of China flag, and southerners like flying the Confederate flag. It's a really painful thing to be on the losing side of a civil war, and being able to fly the old flag is a minor thing that you can do to prove that you weren't completely beaten. It's a funny thing to be in the southern United States and be a member of the "civil war losers" club. 751 viewsView 15 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Joseph Boyle Joseph Boyle · March 5, 2014 Can't wait to see them on bikinis. Profile photo for Ha Pham Ha Pham , lives in Hanoi, Vietnam Answered Jun 9, 2020 A2A Why not? United States is a liberal country, you can wave any kind of flag you want unless those flag(s) breach American laws. As far as I know, no flag is forbidden in US, except the Fascist symbol, am I wrong? Not only US, you can wave the “Yellow Flag” (national flag of former Republic of Vietnam) in many liberal countries like: Canada
Australia Germany However, as my idea, the name “Heritage and Freedom Flag” should not be used because the Republic of Vietnam does not exist anymore as it had completed its historical role. I myself has no opposition with the Yellow Flag, but if I could vote … (more) Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Tony Nguyen Tony Nguyen , knows German Answered Feb 26, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? It is their form of protest and the statement of not recognizing the vietnamese government as it is now. Also of course a way of showing that they identify themselves with the values of the former South Vietnam regime. I also feel that many of the younger generations just follow their parents and grandparents ideals and hate without thinking too much about it. It’s like they think it is part of beeing a second (or third) generation overseas South Vietnamese war refugee, they have to wave the former South Vietnamese flag and discredit the current vietnamese government. 1.1K viewsView 7 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Tony Nguyen Tony Nguyen · August 29, 2019 I never said it doesn’t or it does represent oppression or not . I only gave a (in my opinion) neutral explanation why I think they use the yellow flag with 3 red stripes. And yes, I did include a remark about the younger generations… but without even expressing my sympathy for the current vietnamese government, nor did I condemn it. Profile photo for Jennifer Phan Jennifer Phan · February 26, 2019 Would you feel comfortable flying the flag of a government that killed your family members, took away your property, land, homes, requiring you to flee for your life, escaping by boat not knowing where you are going, witnessing your own people dying on route at sea, then having to start all over again in a new country where you face discrimination, poverty etc…? Please have more sensitivity towards the people who share your ancestral land and go back farther than your existence before you spew such talk assuming that us first, second or third gens don't know about the history of the Vietnam War. There is an entire population of Vietnamese people worldwide who still remember their homeland, their roots, their childhood pre-war. We have black and white photographs of our relatives in Vietnam and France from the 1950’s. I'm the offspring of one of them and I still witness the PTSD that affects all those affected by the war. So please, show a little respect to others just like our traditional Vietnamese culture instilled in us, it's called humanity. Profile photo for Huu Duy Vu (Hữu Duy Vũ) Huu Duy Vu (Hữu Duy Vũ) · May 20, 2019 So do I when talking about South crimes on Vietnamese people and my own family, Jennifer Phan. Profile photo for Chris Nguyen Chris Nguyen · August 21, 2019 The current flags of Vietnam bought misery to the Vietnamese people, both North and South. That flag and what it represented kill millions of our people. It represent oppression instead of freedom. Profile photo for Hiếu Hà Trung Hiếu Hà Trung , studied at FPT University Answered Sep 13, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Cause they are loser that won’t accept the cold hard fact that the vietnamese people have rejected their failed state as merely a puppet of a foreign power to imposes its will upon the vietnamese people. 558 viewsView 6 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng , studied at Hanoi University of Science and Technology (1976) Updated Jun 12, 2021 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? The cowardice and comicality of French and American minions who fight against Vietnam's unified independence has no limits.Under this "flag of freedom", the French henchmen fought against those who demanded independence for Vietnam, and under this "freedom" flag they were against those who demand unification for the country of Vietnam, against the majority of Vietnamese people who wanted to be unified by election under the Geneva Agreement.
This flag is a symbol of humiliating collaboration with foreign invaders.
131 viewsView 3 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Shaun Darragh Shaun Darragh , worked at U.S. Department of Defense (1990-2007) Answered Aug 10, 2019 Originally Answered: Why do the Vietnamese diaspora continue to fly the flag of South Vietnam ? For the same reasons that Irish-Americans wear green clothing or items on St. Patrick’s Day, and some Mexican-Americans fly Mexican flags on the 5th of May, and Greek-Americans fly the Greek and US flags in their communities, etc, etc… 81 viewsView 2 upvotesAnswer requested by Jim Lunde Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Tyler Nguyen Tyler Nguyen , Marketing Executive Answered Jul 4, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? Hello my name is Tyler, I was born and currently living in Vietnam. After the war, Vietnamese from South Vietnam (mostly soldiers and government staff) weren’t very happy about the Communist government (North Vietnam) and moved to the USA. They keep their flag which is yellow with 3 little red stripes until now. Cheers 354 viewsView 2 upvotes Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Loc Hoang Loc Hoang · July 4, 2019 Tyler, You said that after the war Vietnamese from South Vietnam were not very happy about the communist government and moved to the USA. What about the current Vietnamese population? Are they happy with the communist government or do they want multi-party democracy? Profile photo for Tyler Nguyen Tyler Nguyen · July 6, 2019 In general, we are happy with our life.
Some people are lazy, they want to do less and get more, they want privileges, they blame the government for their laziness, etc. That kind of people exists everywhere. Multi-party is great in developed countries, it really is, like a 5-star hotel. But the main problem is the people. If multi-party applied in Vietnam, it will be like a monkey living in a 5-star hotel, it won’t make a monkey become a gentleman. Maybe in the future we will want it when we have more understanding and education, but not now. Let me tell you this. Happy Vietnamese, we are busy with our own businesses, we hang out after work and we have a good 8-hrs sleep at night, we have a short vacation every few months. We’re not that poor.
Only suckers spent their time complaining on the internet.
Loc Hoang Tyler, Profile photo for Ryan Doan Nguyen Ryan Doan Nguyen , Front Desk Receptionist at Massage Envy Spa Answered Jan 29, 2019 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Many, many Vietnamese (overseas) find the current star flag (that represents communism and the government that behind it) offensive and actually painful in many cases. This is because the Vietnamese population overseas is comprised largely of refugees and the children of refugees who see it as a symbol of the violent government they sacrificed everything to escape from. A simple google search of "South Vietnamese flag" will explain why using that flag instead of the star one is so important to Vietnamese people all over the world. My parents are Vietnamese refugees (boat people) who’ve endured many hardships and lost many loved ones due to escaping the current Vietnam flag and what it stands for, so seeing the star flag shown all the time by people who aren't knowledgeable on the subject can evoke terrible memories and hurt them tremendously. This is why the three-striped flag of South Vietnam is still used everywhere else in the world instead of the star flag at festivals, temples, shops, restaurants, etc. It represents deep cultural history instead of war, violence, and persecution like the star flag for Vietnamese refugees who've overcome so much in fleeing that all.
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Profile photo for Xavier Daneil Xavier Daneil , Flags are pretty cool. Answered May 13, 2017 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Well, the effects of that war are still going on. That’s like someone mourning a lost family member, many years after a war.
Some people refuse to flay a flag that represents a traumatic experience.
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Profile photo for Nguyễn Tấn Thái Nguyễn Tấn Thái , studied at Gymnázium Ostrava-Zábřeh, Volgogradská 6a Answered May 4, 2017 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? I agree with Le’s answer but in addition, it isn’t only overseas Vietnamese who do such boycotts of Vietnamese current flag. Remember, not all Vietnamese could escape after the war and it would be quite bothersome to wave the flag of South Vietnam infront of policemen. So they use these:
These are Vietnamese festival flags used during, you guessed it, festivals. You can definitely find rebelious people doing otherwise as mentioned before but in case of “more silent” case, this is the way to go.
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Profile photo for Thang Luu Thang Luu · May 14, 2017 Don’t mistake a religion festival with a political rally. Noone raise eyebrows when a religion festival doesn’t hang red flag, but they will in a political meeting.
Profile photo for Nguyễn Tấn Thái Nguyễn Tấn Thái · May 15, 2017 I do not. I am quite sure that I didn't. Me and my father were watching TV news where angry mob was attacking police, because they were unsatisfied with some gov’ts regulations - it was in some rural area. At least this is what we've heard.
Thang Luu People never sastify with their government. They protest all the time in US, Finland (where I live), Germany… But whenever the yellow flag was raised, it always ended badly for the protesters. Not even their problem didn’t solve, their “supporters” would dissapear soon after and left them deal with the government’s punishment. Profile photo for Văn Hải Khổng Văn Hải Khổng · December 13, 2019 It is not true,that all of Vietnamese oversea are collaborators of foreign invaders!
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen , former QA& Reliability engineer Updated Jun 9, 2020 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? They don't like the current Vietnam flag because it was the copy of early Chinese Liberation Army. Note Ho Chi Minh was a military member of this army under the name Hu Guang with the rank of major.
Chinese propaganda poster, Mao Zedong at the Conference of Gutian...
498 viewsView 1 upvote Adding comments disabled Profile photo for Tuấn Vu Tuấn Vu · August 5, 2020 the myth about Hu guang is like the Thanh Do pact. and the flag of chinese liberation army was made in 1949, Vietnam flag was made in 1945, based on Soviet/Communist flag, the SVN flag was made during colonial rule Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 5, 2020 FYI Who was really the true author of Diary in the Prison / Ngục Trung Nhật Ký 獄中日記 ? The real author was a Chinese Kuomintang military official who was accused being a spy for Japanese army. He defended his innocence by showing his close relationship with his former headmaster Chiang Kai Shek /Tưởng giới Thạch (Tưởng trung Chính ), his comrade General Liang Huasheng / Lương hoa Thịnh and his spirit to fight against Japanese invaders through his poems even in the prison cell. He showed he was a cadet at Whoampo Military Academy under Chiang Kai Shek as the headmaster, along with his classmate Liang huasheng/ Lương hoa Thịnh. Please read the poem : 讀蔣公訓詞 / Độc Tưởng Công huấn từ / Reread the graduation speech of Honorable Mr Chiang. He was angry being arrested during the National Holiday celebrating the birth of Republic of China 10/10 雙十 Song thập. He proved that he dedicated his life for motherland China, his beloved country. Please read 到弟四戰區政治部 / Đáo Đệ Tứ chiến khu chính trị bộ / Come to the 4th war area of Political section. He showed the administrative knowledge about managing a district or a region in China under Kuomintang party.
Through the Chinese newspapers that reported China news: In the " 越有騷動 / Việt hữu tao động / The Yue region has fighting ", many thought the term 越 Yue Việt in the diary was used for Vietnam of Indochina but actually the author was talking about Zhejiang / Chiết Giang (浙江). See also the term Việt in Hán Việt tự điển trích dẫn. This was the place where it had a fighting between Chinese Nationalist army and Japanese invaders. The author wanted to go to this battlefield: 上戰場 / thướng chiến trường. The author showed exactly where was the fighting. In another poem talking about his major sickness, he was comparing his hot and cold sickness as the fighting between Wu vs Yue / Ngô vs Việt, but some Vietnamese thought he was talking about Vietnam of Indochina. The term " 越地舊山河 / Việt địa cựu sơn hà" is the term of old Yue territory in current China. That was the old country of Goujian /Việt Vương Câu Tiễn.
Yue (state) - Wikipedia (Yue (state) - Wikipedia)
This is the military life of General Liang Huasheng / Lương Hoa Thịnh, (Republic of China / Trung Hoa Dân quốc) according to Western records. In one of the poems, the author of Prison Diary considered this General as a Kuomintang comrade / đồng chí Trung Hoa Quốc Dân Đảng. Since 1935, General Liang had the records eradicating communist rebels in Nanchang, Kunming and other places.
Biography of Lieutenant-General Liang Huasheng (Biography of Lieutenant-General Liang Huasheng)
1940-XX-XX Chief of the Political Section, 4th War Area
1943-XX-XX Deputy Commander in Chief 11th Army Group
Memorabilia of General Liang Huasheng http://www.krzzjn.com/html/85419.html
黄埔校长蒋中正赠与学生梁华盛将军的领袖玉照 / Hoàng phố giáo trưởng Tưởng trung Chính tặng dữ học sinh Lương hoa Thịnh tướng quân đích lãnh tụ ngọc chiếu
Biography of General Liang Huasheng in Chinese https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E6%A2%81%E5%8D%8E%E7%9B%9B
In 1943, he left the 4th war area to take the deputy commander of 11th army group.
Bài thơ: Lương Hoa Thịnh tướng quân thăng nhậm phó tư lệnh - 梁華晟將軍升任副司令 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Lương Hoa Thịnh tướng quân thăng nhậm phó tư lệnh - 梁華晟將軍升任副司令 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Bài thơ: Tặng Tiểu Hầu (Hải) - 贈小候（海） (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Tặng Tiểu Hầu (Hải) - 贈小候（海） (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Bài thơ: Độc Tưởng công huấn từ - 讀蔣公訓詞 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Độc Tưởng công huấn từ - 讀蔣公訓詞 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Bài thơ: Mông ưu đãi - 蒙優待 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Mông ưu đãi - 蒙優待 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Bài thơ: Đáo Đệ tứ chiến khu Chính trị bộ - 到弟四戰區政治部 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Đáo Đệ tứ chiến khu Chính trị bộ - 到弟四戰區政治部 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
試問余所犯何罪，罪在為民族盡忠 / Thí vấn dư sở phạm hà tội, Tội tại vị dân tộc tận trung!
Bài thơ: Khán “Thiên gia thi” hữu cảm - 看千家詩有感 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明) (Bài thơ: Khán “Thiên gia thi” hữu cảm - 看千家詩有感 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
Chinese Literature (Chinese Literature) : "The Qianjiashi has always been used as a textbook for elementary learning. "
Profile photo for Tuấn Vu Tuấn Vu · August 5, 2020 copy paste but irrelevant to my reply, well i will still take the bait. It is quite full of irrelevant pieces of knowledge sewn together. I translated his bio but I could not find any detail about his arrest, and if he was a deputy, a general, how could he be arrested for being suspected as spy? ano… (more)
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 5, 2020 This is my research that so far nobody find out similar information. I am the original and the first person posted this information a few times on Quora and other websites to inform people about identity of the author. Definitely, the author was a Chinese citizen and definitely he was a Chinese Kuom… (more)
Profile photo for Tuấn Vu Tuấn Vu · August 5, 2020 so you mean Nguyen Ai Quoc-Ho Chi Minh came to China in 1938 and tried to do revolutionary work aiming to free Indochina from the French under the name Hu Guang? good to know
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 5, 2020 Back to the question “who was the real author of Diary in the Prison / 獄中日記 ?
What is your opinion ? Are you still be sure Ho was the author of that diary ?
上忠黨國下忠民 / Thượng trung Đảng Quốc hạ trung Dân. The author was honoring Kuomintang of China . See (Bài thơ: Tặng Tiểu Hầu (Hải) - 贈小候（海） (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
試問余所犯何罪，罪在為民族盡忠 / Thí vấn dư sở phạm hà tội, Tội tại vị dân tộc tận trung! Which country and people that you think the author dedicated to, China or Vietnam ? See Bài thơ: Đáo Đệ tứ chiến khu Chính trị bộ - 到弟四戰區政治部 (Hồ Chí Minh - 胡志明))
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Profile photo for Tuấn Vu Tuấn Vu · August 5, 2020 well, thanks to you detail article, now i am sure that Ho Chi Minh is the author, dont worry, the first half is sarcastic. Seriously, you led me from the flag and Hu Guang to Nguc trung nhat ki and a general that was rumored to be jailed suspected as a japanese spy, back to Hu guang again, then throw me a link about pictures in a site that Mao organized his gathering.
Profile photo for Taurant Nguyen Taurant Nguyen · August 5, 2020 Sarcastically, as you said !!!
So this author sacrastically claimed attending Whoampo military academy, sacrastically honored the promotion of a Kuomintang General, sacrastically complained another Kuomintang General of money laundery, sacrastically taught another Kuomintang General must honor the Kuomintang (party), sacrastically wanted to go to Zhejiang (Yue region has the fighting/Việt hữu tao động) to fight against Japanese 上戰場 / thướng chiến trường, sacrastically wrote legal papers to help other inmates (bạn tù) that he knew reducing their criminal sentencing, sacrastically reminded Chinese people to alert and ready to fight back against Japanese.
中華抗戰將六載，烈烈轟轟舉世知。
勝利雖然有把握，仍須努力反攻時
Trung Hoa kháng chiến tương lục tải, Liệt liệt oanh oanh cử thế tri; Thắng lợi tuy nhiên hữu bả ác, Nhưng tu nỗ lực phản công thì.
In addition, nobody even Ho chi Minh in Vietnam knew and explained the term (辜臣孽子義 當然 /Cô thần nghiệt tử nghĩa đương nhiên ) that Chiang Kaishek describe himself in graduation speech. See the poem : 讀蔣公訓詞 / Độc Tưởng Công huấn từ. Now, we know his father died when he was at 8 years old that matched with his statement. Just search the text at thivien website, to know why some poems were incorrectly translated.
Profile photo for Hugh Nguyen Hugh Nguyen , lived in Vietnam (1988-2015) Answered Jul 4, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? Let me put it in this way, Several years ago Vietnam was divided into South Vietnam and North Vietnam which is similar to Korea today. And each part has different flag
The North follow communism so the US helped (whatever it was called) the South to fight against the North
But the South lost the war. Its people went to the US as political refugees and many other forms of immigrations. They hate the communists so bad, and they decide to keep its flag and think that they can revenge someday. Please correct me if there is something not true but this can give the questioners a picture of what had happened.
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Profile photo for Loc Hoang Loc Hoang · July 4, 2019 Hugh, do you not hate the current communist government in Vietnam even when they themselves admit that corruption is a national calamity? Even the most senior communist officials publicly admitted that corruption by government officials have eroded public trust and confidence in the communist party. And you still support such a corrupt government? The overseas Vietnamese community around the world, not just in the USA, is not interested in revenge as you claimed. They want Vietnam to become a democracy with separation of powers and rule of law like all Western countries. Why would you not want that for your own children and grandchildren? Why would you not want that for your own country? Why would you not want an independent and impartial judiciary completely separate from the executive for your children and grandchildren? Profile photo for Tim Ngo Tim Ngo , studied Finance at University of New Mexico Answered Aug 14, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Most oversea Vietnamese are anti-communist so they rejected it. The hatred will be passed from father to son. Simple, the later generations they might used the yellow flag if they care about politic. 203 views Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Bryan Quach Bryan Quach , lives in New York City (1980-present) Answered Jul 6, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? One word: freedom. Freedom from oppression, which socialism or communism is. 26 viewsView 2 upvotesAnswer requested by Martina Ondrasekova Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Gerald Cline Gerald Cline , former Vietnam Veteran (Medic USAF) (1968-1974) Answered Jul 6, 2019 Originally Answered: Why is the South Vietnamese flag used in America instead of the current one? The refugees who fled Vietnam in the aftermath of the Vietnam War are loyal to the South Vietnamese regime that was overthrown, not the North Vietnamese conquerors who forced them to flee. 186 viewsView 1 upvote Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for David Albert David Albert , former US Vietnam Combat Vet•1970-71/Ret. Mech. Eng. 2015 at Wirtz Manufacturing Company (1973-2015) Answered Nov 10 Join the Quora+ community to view this answer Millions more answers like this Ad‑free browsing Quora+ profile badge 49 views Answers that need improvement Profile photo for Jacques Văn Khải Jacques Văn Khải , Vietnamese by blood, Vietnamese by thought Answered May 4, 2017 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? I would rather say “sawadee cap” to you, however, since most Thais know nothing on Vietnam War and, of course, a lot of Thais are being “brainwashed” by communist Vietnamese propaganda, I will explain: The colours are said to stand for nation-religion-king, an unofficial motto of Thailand,[1] red for the land and people, white for religions and blue for the monarchy, the last having been the auspicious colour of Rama VI. As the king declared war on Germany that July, some note the flag now bore the same colours as those of Britain, France, Russia and the United States.[2] So many people in Thailand are still proud of this flag. Why? Because the flag represents the Thai glory, the Royalty, the beautiful of Thailand and its tolerance. On the other side, for any Thais, if they look on this Costa Rica’s reversed version, they will always feel proud to chant “Thai”. Meanwhile, what about South Vietnam flag?
Here: The flag consists of a yellow field and three horizontal red stripes and can be explained as either symbolising the unifying blood running through northern, central, and southern Vietnam, or as representing the symbol for "south" (as in, south from China (Viet Nam itself) and also nam meaning south), in Daoist trigrams.
This flag is also representing the unification of all Vietnamese regardless of religion. We should have to use this flag. It was designed during Nguyen Dynasty and it has always been a symbol since.
But hell? We are now being under bunch of communist s*ts using communist Vietnam flag with yellow star in front of red flag. This makes Vietnam feel like tiny part of China, despite we are not one of them.
So yeah? We are proud to use South Vietnam flag. It should have been Vietnam flag! IT SHOULD! Because it belongs to real Vietnam, not like bunch of fools in Hanoi regime.
So I suggest you that please try to raise communist Vietnam’s flag in America and Europe and see what happen.
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Jamie Daniels and more Profile photo for Sam Eaton Sam Eaton , lives in Vietnam Updated Dec 13, 2017 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? In Southern America, one can still see the Confederate flag flying from time to time. That War ended over 150 years ago. Why should the Vietnamese be any different about showing respect to those who fought and died fighting in a war for independence that they lost. 1 comment from Thang Luu Profile photo for Nick Yandell Nick Yandell , Teacher, Media and English at Damascus College (2017-present) Answered Feb 25, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? For many of the overseas Vietnamese, their grandparents, parents or other relatives fought and died under that flag. It would be very difficult to give it up. 526 viewsView 7 upvotesAnswer doesn't directly answer the question Profile photo for Thi Nguyen Profile photo for Bao D Nguyen Bao D Nguyen , studied at University of California, Los Angeles Answered Mar 5, 2018 Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? The overseas Vietnamese (Viet Kieu to Vietnamese) are ignorant of their own history.
The yellow flag of Catholic dictatorship never represented democracy, nor human rights, nor a UN recognized country. What it did represent was a regime started by the infamous virgin dictator, Ngo Dinh Diem:
This guy even makes dictators look bad. Look at that white suit! Is he in the navy?!
Thankfully, he and his brother were assassinated by a south Vietnamese officer in a US backed coup.
His successors were military juntas lead by incompetent officers backed by the US.
Among those officers were Duong Van Minh, a general the US thought was sympathetic to the communists. In the end, it was he who stayed to honorably meet the Vietnamese victors. He was also credited for killing Ngo Dinh Diem and Ngo Dinh Nhu.
Nguyên Khanh, a loony general who staged a few coups and was ultimately allowed to leave his role with his life. He was sent into exile to the US.
Nguyên Van Thieu, a caricature of a dictator. He was hated by all, including his sponsors. He did not even have the confidence of his men, who deserted him en-masse. In the end, he deserted his Presidency and flew to Taiwan with 16 tons of gold, leaving Duong Van Minh to receive the Vietnamese rebellion. Thieu loved the yellow metal more than the yellow flag. The Taiwanese kept the gold, and he ended up in France. The US refused him admittance. And Vietnam did not allow him to come home to attend his mothers funeral. A true traitor to all. He was partially credited with the killing of Ngo Dinh Diem and Ngo Dinh Nhu.
And then there was the most famous of them all, General Nguyên Cao Ky. This guy was a charming playboy who wooed the prettiest girl in town and was famous for his style. In the US, he wrote a couple of books, including Buddha’s Child, My Fight to Save Vietnam, in which he expresses that perhaps he had fought on the wrong side.
In the end, Nguyên Cao Ky was embraced with open arms by Communists when he returned tearfully to the country he once betrayed. He was also hated by the old soldiers who now looked like a bunch of fools because their leader loves the red flag of Vietnam.
Nguyên Cao Ky’s daughter is a beautiful and famous host for Paris By Night, a popular music entertainment show watched by all overseas Vietnamese. Nguyên Cao Ky’s ex-wife, the once beautiful Dang Tuyet Mai, opened a pho restaurant in Vietnam. (It’s my favorite pho restaurant. Though I have to admit I have a warm place in my heart for her.) She has sadly passed away in Vietnam in 2016.
The lowly masses who worship the yellow flag don’t realize they worship at the altar of tears and heartbreak. And I think one day soon it will become clear to even them that nothing good came from that flag, despite what the bitter old men think.
Bao D Nguyen , studied at University of California, Los Angeles Answered Mar 10, 2018 They believe it stands for this.
They won’t face that it stands for this.
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Louis Nguyen , studied at University of California, Los Angeles Answered Mar 17, 2018
It shows that the Commie may have won the war, but not the mind of the people. We decided to make it a symbol of our heritage to teach our younger generations what it stands for and the struggle plus hardship under which their forefathers had to face to get here in the first place. Profile photo for Thi Nguyen
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Answered May 20, 2019
Originally Answered: Why don't Vietnamese overseas accept the current Vietnam flag but still keep using the former South Vietnam flag? Just ask some “white supremacist” Americans why they wave Confederate flag instead of United States’? Then you will earn answers contain “it represents our lost souls, lost culture”. Same thing happens in Germany but officially illegal if you favor “Nazi swastika” - some Neo Nazis see German soil became smaller and smaller after two World Wars, and flood of immigrants from Middle East is killing “German blood” by “spreading toxic Islam and produce new generations like rat” etc. Those all include “yellow flag with 3 red stripes” as losers, but have you the OP ever asked yourself why there are winning side and vice versa? Or how one could win when another lost? Then you have this: Confederate States was built around White slave-owners and non-White slave relationship which White were supported and protected by regime. Nazi Germany was where German ultranationalists shake hands in order to create a “pure blood nation based on Aryan race” and all non-Aryan like Slavs especially Jews - a minor ethnicity but smart, clever and believed controlling European economies must be killed. Since the beginning, these just represent minor groups in society about ideologies and benefits, and their way of thinking are extreme, and this made their collapse when United States or Allies attacked - native people support “foreign” forces not because they are “good” but better than what they are living under. The same can be said for South Vietnam, and even worse on some fields.
To understand origins of North and South (Vietnam) regimes, we should go back far to the past of Vietnamese history.
Here is map of “Trinh-Nguyen divison” in 1650. As you can see, Vietnam that time was mainly divided into 2 parts: Trinh and Nguyen lords. Through times, both were slowly corrupted over generations of lords - typical problem for Chinese-based model of Confucian centrally absolute monarchy model where a clan holds whole country political powers and pass it on descendants inside the clan without question. In South, Truong Phuc Loan, a high-title bureaucrat was gaining control and made 9th generation of Nguyen lord a puppet. Then, Tay Son rebellion started by 3 peasant brothers and use peasant forces mainly, first aiming overthrow Truong, but then took advantage when Nguyen lord’s power became too weak to erase this regime. Didn’t stop, they moved Northward, do same thing to Trinh lord and officially reunited entire nation. But Nguyen Anh, a survived prince of Nguyen clan fled to Siam, called Siam (Thailand feudal name) king for help against Tay Son. Nguyen Hue, one of three Tay Son founders defeated Siam, succeed protecting Vietnamese Southern soil from them, then continued winning Chinese Qing dynasty at its peak. Guess what Anh did here? Supports Qing by shipping rice on a fleet! Fortunately, a typhoon destroyed it before reached North. Then, Hue died soon, his son was too young to understand politics and Anh this time took advantage, erased Tay Son, established Nguyen dynasty.
Okay, you will feel it doesn’t relate to the topic at all. But wait, because this Nguyen was the one who surrendered French colonialists step-by-step, made Vietnam a French colony for nealy 100 years from 1858 to 1954. French ruled us by “stupidity to conquer” and “divide to conquer” policies, with aftermathes are over 2 of 23 million Vietnamese people died by a great famine in 1945 due to “buying rice by gun and little money” plus “change rice fields into jute” (Japanese empire after conquered French Indochina maximized these). Society was full of social evils: alcoholic, drug addiction, gambling, prostitution, thieving, robbing etc. 95 percent of whole population were illiterate. Distinction and division between major ethnicity and minor ethnic groups, between Northern, Central and Southern regions, between mountainous, rural, coastal and urban areas be grown like French will. They imported minerals from Vietnam by a very cheap price which nothing different from a robber several decades, forced hundreds thousands Vietnamese people going to France to fight and die in their World Wars. They earned very great profits from adding heavy taxes on Vietnamese shoulders, from tax of existence or “thuế thân” which every native people must pay for their lives since the time they were born until death to taxes on necessary products for daily life like rice and salt. They encouraged gambling, prostituting, using drugs so they can earn much more taxes from these activities. They forced all village buying French-produced wine only, from infants to pregnant women and elders, all must drink litres of alcohol per capita weekly and ban all self-producing wines - a Vietnamese tradition. And Nguyen dynasty now became puppet just watch.
In 1930, Communist Party of Vietnam (VCP) was born. It led peasant movements against French rules but failed. Then, Japanese Empire entered French Indochina, created “Empire of Vietnam” regime - another puppet but loyal to them and mostly made of Nguyen royal and its bureaucrats who accepted same role under French control like I described. In 1945, America nuked Japan by 2 nuclear bombs, forced it surrender. De Gaulle 4th French Republic was still weak after World War 2, so it couldn’t come back to all its colonies immediately. Realize the chance, VCP opened August Revolution, overthrew Empire of Vietnam and estaished “Democratic Republic of Vietnam” or North Vietnam years after. But French didn’t want to lose Indochina so they invaded Vietnam, forced DRV fight back. The more French fight, the more they stuck in mud - budget for military rises too high but mainland France was still poor that made French people angry when government spends so much money for a colony far away instead of recovering homeland. United States led by Truman whom distrusted communism so high stepped in, funded 80 percent for French military in Indochina and forced them creating “State of Vietnam” - another puppet as a continuation of Nguyen dynasty. In 1954, DRV finally won in Dien Bien Phu battle, forced French withdrew. Geneva Accord was signed, it wrote by 17th parallel, a provisional Demilitarized Zone where Vietnamese forces move northward and French move to the south then withdraw, two regimes: DRV and State of Vietnam will control Northern and Southern parts until a nationalwide election to elect a single regime be done, maximum after 2 years from the day it was signed. Afraid of ceasing to exist, “State of Vietnam” changed its name into “Republic of Vietnam” (RVN) and found a new master, America in 1956, rejected election and waged domestic war against pro-DRV forces who want reunification. From beginning to the end, it represents minor Christians and Hoa-“Chinese-origins ethnicity” benefits who linked theirs solidly to French through colonization and sided with them against all nationalism movements aim gaining independence back for Vietnam long before VCP was born. The funny here is, they claim themselves “successor of Vietnamese elite culture since Nguyen dynasty” when Christians helped French winning Nguyen proactively a century ago. And Nguyen itself respresented Vietnamese culture and traditions no more since the moment it surrendered invaders.
Let’s compare a little bit. Tay Son and VCP are both began from peasants in a country where peasant always make over 90 percent of national population until end of 20th century; Tay Son and VCP are both reunited country after divided periods; Tay Son and VCP both led people winning foreign invaders: Qing, Siam, French, American, PRC, Khmer Rouge. When in another side, Nguyen and SVN (South Vietnam) are supported by minor elites (Chinese-origins landlords favored Nguyen) not major poor people; both begged foreigners for help against its rivals but also Vietnamese; and both worshipped foreign forces (Nguyen begged Qing to help against French, follow a invaders to fight another). In Vietnamese history, the one who protects national culture and traditions is the one who fight foreigners to keep independence first.
Tay Son flag.
DRV flag.
Vietnamese current flag. Who say “it is pure communism and doesn’t look traditional at all”?
Nguyen dynasty’s flag (before French colonization).
Nguyen dynasty’s flag, French colonization.
Empire of Vietnam’s flag.
State of Vietnam and RVN flag.
Yeah, so “traditional”.
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China/Chinese destroy everything about Viet people, even their own history. The only thing they can’t destroy is our language, folklore stories and genes, culture.
Sadly, Vietcong do whatever Chinese want... selling land, destroy historical evìdent of our ancestors...
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Những thành phần tinh hoa, các phần tử ưu tú của nước Việt đã chạy ra khỏi đất nước từ năm 1975.
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